HEY! Where is everybody? I came to read a bazillion comments!

Mikee

Not a problem, Mr. Whittle.

After all, missing a wave and waiting for another is a LOT better than catching one off-balance, only to wipe out spectacularly and be tossed about like a rag doll at the mercy of the sea.

Although that can be fun too.

Well, I WAS beginning to wonder :)

Writers should be their own worst critics.

I somehow don't think I would be disapointed by a less than perfect Whittle post. But I am willing to wait as long as it takes.

Jezus, BW, can you ban this sitepests IP? If not, loan GHS your staff of power for the duration.

Don't worry about the essay, Wizzards complete their essays exactly when they are supposed to be completed. They are never late.

Hey Bill, a swing and a miss or a swing and a foul tip don't cost anything but time and frustration. Get it right, and we'll all enjoy reading and debating it. Except for PBS above. That boy needs something way beyond the ability of Clue. Pre-frontal lobotomy springs to mind. Near as I can tell, we have jailed someone for a lengthy period for spying for Israel. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

In any event, get it the way you want it, Bill. It's not like we're tremendously impatient, just very impatient.

SM

[hee]

Couldn't resist. Click on 'Richard P' in the post above and the email address comes up:

"Nobody@nowhere.net"

Sometimes the jokes just write themselves...

::sings:: He's a real nowhere git... posting from nowhere-dot-nit... making all his Perle posts for nobody... He's as dumb as he can be... has been taking PCP... doesn't he annoy me and you?

Nowhere git, please listen, it won't be you that we're missing... Nowhere git, the cluebat's at our command...

Whee! Well done, Cyberludite!

Thanks, ARL. And this one was aimed at a deserving target. (Unlike my spoof of "The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins" which was sparked by Pejman's disavowal of Hobbit ancestry...)

I am becoming impatient for another brilliant Whittle essay. But alas, I shall wait :)

[hee]

Couldn't resist. Click on 'Richard R' in the post above and the email address comes up:

"Nobody@nowhere.net"

Sometimes the jokes just write themselves...

No worries Bill...As you know, if it 'aint right, go 'round and try again. Don't push a bad setup.

Orion

The difference, oh wearer of the Perle necklace, is that Richard R doesn't go out of his way to any everyone & waste Mr. Wittle's bandwidth.

Er, to annoy, that is... (Not that it's an excuse, but I'm up early after working a 12 hour shift last night...)

Funny you should suggest that, Richard R (when you said, "Jezus, BW, can you ban this sitepest's IP? If not, loan GHS your staff of power for the duration). Bill and I were discussing that very thing last night while he was busily deleting all of the Perle-o-phile's postings from the previous comment section (and yes, I do mean "Perle-o-PHILE" -- nobody obsesses over one person like that without having a true hard-on for the guy).

We figured that a no-life hacker loser like that -- one whose passion for being such a useless pain in the ass, whose sole mission in life (to annoy complete strangers) is so all-consuming that he'll happily change IP addresses on a daily basis just to get around someone's lock-outs -- that kind of a termite will build an entire outhouse of a sham-life around just being a full-time professional asshole, and won't be stopped by anything short of deleting his drivel as fast as he can post it.

So, since I visit this site far more often than Bill does, AND because I'm the one most likely to be tempted to actually waste time arguing with the likes of this trash, Bill has offered me the proverbial "keys to the castle," as he puts it.

Stomping every individual mosquito that gets past the bug-zapper may not be the most efficient way to keep the party moving, but it works... and to tell you the truth, I can't wait to start. Just gots ta' woik out the details.

And you know me -- I wouldn't delete anyone who actually came to communicate (rather than saturate). I like to argue too much myself.

But I'll be taking requests!

Just need a little hands-on training on the old staff of Bildalf.

This could be fun.

GHS

[NEW PERLETROLL DROPPINGS DELETED]

Remarkable, isn't it, that this flaming scumbag is so obsessed with wrongdoing and dirty dealing is doing every thing he can to lie and dodge and cover himself so he can steal my private property -- my bandwith -- despite being shown the door?

Hey, Perle troll: we can delete 'em quicker than you write 'em. Just wanted to make sure you don't miss the irony of being cut from exactly the same cloth you hyperventilate about. No wonder you loathe yourself.

Blogger is free, you miserable cretinous lump. But rest assured, you will tire of this before I do. I am about to set Great Hairy Samwise upon you, and I will give him Sting and a coat of mithril, and if you show up in these lands again -- he will have you. Gollum.

GHS -

It wasn't a psychic moment - we had Turbo over for spaghetti Saturday night, he mentioned he might give you the keys for just such a purpose.

And Perleoholic - I'm actually interested. What kind of pathology is it that makes people such as you? I understand people that have an overwhelming desire for the approval of strangers (like actors and rock frontmen who are in it for the applause). But what kind of brain damage causes people to go out and do things just to get total strangers mad at them? It's not just you, sitepests are everywhere, and I can't figure out the motivation. You don't actually think that you're going to get anyone to change their minds this way, do you?

Oh. Look. The troll must've thought you meant the rock star when you mentioned Sting.

Richard R: "pathology", "brain damage"...

It is an indignity to both of us that you oblige me to point out the empty ad hominum in your post.

"You don't actually think that you're going to get anyone to change their minds this way, do you?"

It's a start.

Patrick Chester: Read closer. You have confused the other Dick with me. I would bother to demonstrate that I am versed in Tolkien or other liberal arts; if I thought it would help establish my overall credibility. But it won't, so I won't.

Instead, I'll note that I am not the one who is failing to post substance here.

On 2nd thought, literature is helpful here:

"The first and simplest stage in the discipline, which can be taught even to young children, is called in Newspeak, crimestop. Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop in short means protective stupidity. But stupidity is not enough. On the contrary, orthodoxy in the full sense demands a control over one's own mental processes as complete as that of a contortionist over his body. Oceanic society rests ultimately on the belief that Big Brother is omnipotent and that the Party is infallible. But since in reality Big Brother is not omnipotent and the Party is not infallible, there is need for an unwearying, moment-to-moment flexibility in the treatment of facts. The key word here is blackwhite. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white in contradiction of the plain facts. Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink.......by far the most important reason for the readjustment of the past is the need to safeguard the infallibility of the Party. It is not merely that speeches, statistics, and records of every kind must be constantly brought up to date in order to show that the predictions of the Party were in all cases right. It is also that no change of doctrine or in political alignment can ever be admitted." (1984; Signet paperback edition pages 174,175)

"Richard R: "pathology", "brain damage"...

It is an indignity to both of us that you oblige me to point out the empty ad hominum (sic) in your post."

Do you believe that a normal, sound, healthy person would deliberately set out to earn the enmity of total strangers?

Do you believe that doing so is an effective form of argumentation?

Oh gosh, a troll blathers about neo-cons and gets indignant when compared to the Perlephobe. Color me unimpressed.

But thanks for providing your mission statement. Oh, btw: "substance" doesn't mean "volume". HTH, HANLPL.

Do not use my email address in your postings again. Get your own in addition to your own blog.

That's not an answer, Pat.

Is there anyone here who doesn't scurry from scrutiny?

Buncha chickenhawks.

Maybe Bill will dare answer the question.

"Is there anyone here who doesn't scurry from scrutiny?" This why you used my e-mail address as your own three posts up, boy? You don't know the sorts of folks that you're honking off here. Herr Silverback, what IP is this moron posting from? I'd like to have a little chat with his ISP.

Speaking of "scurrying from scrutiny", give us your name, your real email address, and your weblog (where all of this information is painstakingly laid out in a clear and logical way). We can then scrutinize the info at our leisure, engage you in thoughtful debate on your comments section, and do our level best to avoid ad hominem attacks, pointless name calling ("chickenhawks" anyone?), or other such troll behavior.

Look, Mr. Perle-fetish. You seem to be a well educated, passionate person. You also seem to be enfatuated with Mr. Perle and "neocons" and their shortcomings--much to the chagrin of the regulars and visitors to this web site, mostly because this web site has NOT ONCE mentioned Perle on its own! (IIRC) There is undoubtedly something worth discussing in your long, long posts--but they are so off topic here as to be seen as troll behavior.

If you have spent any time on this site whatsoever, you know that we disagree reasonably often. We have spirited debates in this comments section. We enjoy Mr. Whittle's prose and his point of view, even when we don't agree with it.

What we don't tolerate is random off-topic rants, such as yours.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not a troll, but a well-meaning anti-neocon who is looking for a reasonable debate. OK. Here's a suggestion: go read one of Bill's essays--say "Responsibility", which was a good one for debate. Post a comment here about your reaction to that particular essay and whay you find objectionable or praiseworthy about it specifically. You will find many thoughtful, pleasant, reasonable people willing to debate you, agree with you, or simply "lurk" and read your stuff.

If you are willing to do that, thanks for coming. If not, please go away.

You want an answer? Okay. Let me tell you something about "CHICKENHAWKS" you miserable piece of shit...

I have gotten to personally know many of these people. Most of them -- Sapper Mike and GHS in particular -- have been through things you cannot imagine in defense of this country. Richard and many others hold top security clearances which are not handed out like sociology degrees at Berkeley. And as for myself, I made two attempts to fly for my country -- and on the second try, I begged to be allowed to wash or fuel airplanes or carry ketchup to the mess hall -- anything.

That is a coward's charge -- projection writ LARGE, you miserable bastard. I never, NEVER ceased to be amazed at the density of people who cannot find the courage to list a valid e-mail address using a term like "Chickenhawk."

Oh, and here's a MAJOR CLUE FOR YOU: when I delete posts on YOUR website, THEN you can scream 'censorship.' Moron. What I do with MY private property is my own business. I was willing to allow you to read one of your little basement manifestoes. I am not willing to turn this entire site and it's readership over to you.

You didn't want to be "disappeared," you say? What a miserable, disgusting insult to people who have actually been taken away and killed for their political beliefs. Is there no limit to the depths of your rhetoric? How vile, how self-centered, how narcissistic and BASE do you have to be to make such a disgusting comparison? And you probably wonder why no one seems to take you seriously.

What you are is nothing more than a rather sad and angry person, unable to get the slightest bit of atention on your own. If you were truly the bold champion of the unspoken truth that you claim to be, you would have your own website, and you would have readers, too. But that requires a little more work and a lot more courage than the likes of anonymous lurking cowards are ever able to muster.

Get this straight, scumbag. This is MY site. I pay for it. It is my property. I am under no obligation to provide you with a soapbox for your rantings. GET YOUR OWN FUCKING SOAPBOX, you parasitic piece of shit. You're not a hero. You're not a Voice in the Wilderness. You bring nothing new or different. You have not the courage to sign your name to what you claim to believe. You have no ethics, and clearly, you have no honor. You are without wit, without decency, and most importantly, you are without a POINT. You are a disturbed child who comes out to an adult dinner party and wets his pants in front of everyone in a desperate attempt to get the attention you clearly have lived your life without. Your rantings are not worthy of debate, because your cut-and-paste obsessions are delusional and you come not to debate but to preach. The only thing that some of us may find interesting about you is the nature of your childhood, as it impacts the formation of your pathology. But that's a paper for another time.

Until then, please rejoin your moral and intellectual equals over at Indymedia or Democratic Underground. There's always plenty of free tinfoil over there for you to fashion a helmet that will protect you from Richard Perle's Mind Control Satellites.

Oh, and while I'm in a philosphophical mood, please allow me to add the following: Fuck YOU, you miserable coward. The people you are talking to could give you an argument to think about. But you are beneath them. Take your miserable slurs off my private property and don't come back until you have learned some manners.

This may be insignificant after Mr. Whittle's very fine fisking of your drivel Mr. Troll, but if you would read some of the essay's posted here, you would understand the fact that we have yet to conquer and keep and enemy the way you would seem to prefer! KMA!

Oh no, another case of Whittleus Interuptus! Aaaaargh!!!

Oh, and to the Perle of Wisdom:
You want to speak "truth to power?" Come and live in Canada. Here, freedom of speech is not an enshrined constitutional right. Here, our constitution guarantees "peace, order, and good government", rather than "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". There is a case happening now (among several) where a woman is undergoing real persecution by police, courts and government bureaucracies because she lived in the same house as someone who publicly maintained that government actions should be transparent to the people. And the Canadian people support this "...they shouldn't have rocked the boat. They had it coming."
Buddy, you're being told off not for what you say, but how you say it...and where. You've no conception of what being a real dissident is all about. Pray you never find out.

Close your italics tag!

Give it up dirtbag; you have been pegged.
Chickenhawk? me?
I will stack what I risked for America and the honor of the United States Marine Corps against anything you've got. What has your mosquito ass risked?
Nothing. you aren't even willing to risk getting hate mail by posting a legit addy.
As far as nailing pamphlets to trees, you can go nail whatever pamphlets to whatever trees you want. What you are doing does not correlate at all. You are doing the equivalent of scratching messages into the paint job of somebody's car; they are going to have to spend time and effort to go back and correct your graffiti.
You want us to rebut your arguments? Sure. Will do... on your blog.
Every last one of the points you assert is so patently false that it is mindboggling that the law of averages hasn't helped you be right more often. The other reason we don't argue with you, is because you will undoubtedly move the goalposts once you have been shown your errors. Such as while we might point out that slavery was abolished within 90 years of this countries history, you will make up some shit about how we still received baskets from some country that got its straw from some other country that took 150 years to rid itself of slavery.
Anyway, until you start posting your own work, from your own diseased mind, on your own blog, you are nothing but a troll, and no amount of cut n' paste on someone else's blog will change that.

You are a disturbed child who comes out to an adult dinner party and wets his pants in front of everyone in a desperate attempt to get the attention you clearly have lived your life without.

Bill, between you and GHS, I've learned some fine new fisking skills.

That was classic.

that's a code problem, Serenity. Note how the "posted by" for everyone has become italicized.

For the (hopefully) last time, Perle-Necklace, Mr. Whittle pays for the bandwidth on this site. That means that we post here by his leave. If he wants to remove the comments completely, require confirmed registration to post, or to simply delete your screeds, it's his choice. His money for the bandwidth, his rules for what uses it. It'd be interesting to see if you'd be this bold if you had to nail your screeds to our host's tree, with the attendant risks of getting caught & arrested for tresspass & destruction of private property. Keep this up, I may just have to write that little anti-troll java script I've had knocking around my head for a while.

I think that everybody has wasted too much mental effort on Troll version 2.0. Probably sitting around chuckling with his buddies over at DU...just ignore Mr. Non-Sequitur and be done with it.

Hi Bill!

Take your time. Based on all your previous works, I'm sure you'll catch the right wave.

Last time I caught what I thought was the right wave, it turned out to be either the last wave of the incoming tide or the first wave of the outgoing tide - it built and built and built, taking me along with it for the perfect ride. All the way to the gravel beach, where it deposited me on my hands and knees, broke on top of me, and tried (unsuccessfully) to grind my face into the gravel.

None of your waves have done that. Your next one won't either.

All My Best!

Mikee

To the anonymous troll,
After reading the comments for the past few days I have come to realize that you never really did want a substantive argument. Which is why you picked a topic to start that few would have any knowledge about, or even care to discuss. All you were interested in was starting a fight, making people that you disagree with angry and call you names so that you could feel oh so special and knowledgeable, and better than your opposition. Well, you have succeeded in making people angry with your self righteous attitude (Martin Luther King you are not), and your disgusting little jokes (boxcutter_vs_SDI@God ButtonProof.com indeed, to even joke about 9-11 like that truly sickens me). Since you have succeeded, and probably feel so much better now that your thirst for attention has been quenched, please let us wallow in what you think is our ignorance, and GO HOME.

To whomever he might be (since he won't give a valid addy or consistent screen name):

You seem to desire to address issues neither raised in an original post by the owner nor that of a valid thread drift. You are clearly motivated to speak regarding the subject.

Your efforts at expressing your motivation here are sorely misguided.

Establish a free blog and put your point out there. It's a more or less free internet. Certainly, I'd like to see an original logic train on the subject if only to have a good argument.

All that being said, this is not your site. This site belongs to the gentleman (in the classic sense of the word) who holds the copyright, Mr. William A. (or more familiarly, Bill) Whittle. I have had the pleasure and priviledge of posting comments to subjects posted on this site since its inception. The discussion here is, for the most part, an open and free wheeling exchange of ideas. People disagree here, often vehemently so. But they do so within the bounds of the subject, or where the thread has legitamately wandered.

What you do, oh unnamed one, is to steal from both Bill and the audience. Where there is interest and a discussion beginning, you in essence throw a hand grenade like SGT Akbar, hoping to maim the current discussion and divert it to a subject of your choice.

This is not only figurative assassaination of the thread and any discussion of anything other than your ill use, but also poorly disguised attempt to put your views forth on a forum that has a large following without paying the cost in time, effort, and ideas that is required to develop a following of your own. By utilizing the methodology you follow here, the only following you engender is that of a lynch mob, or perhaps a more mannerly group willing to simply to tar and feather you.

GHS, or "Hairyback" as you so denigratingly choose to address him, is acting on behalf of Bill to try and keep things on the site on a relatively even keel. From your posts, you seem only to be interested in rocking the boat, to keep the metaphors straight. Metaphorically speaking, it might be better for all concerned for you to simply jump in the lake, and allow this thread a smoother ride.

Personally, I find your behaviour repugnant and loathesome. I hope to never encounter you on any other person's or group's forum within the 'net, be it here, DU, or Misha's (that is about the philosophical bounds of the internet, I believe). You act like a thief, you exhibit neither the moral or physical courage expected of one who wishes proclaim his beliefs by posting his name and/or addy in his post (mine's posted at the top of this comment, BTW). Frankly, I find very little merit in those who bandy terms like "Chickenhawk" about. It adds nothing to the debate and only lessens any possible impact of your ideas. Although for your ideas to have any less impact would require serious adjustments to the gravity gradient of these latitudes, not currently available to our technology.

I spent many years as a knuckledragger in the Service of our Nation. I purposefully withheld from addressing you as I might formerly have. I can and do utilize vulgarity when the occasion demands, but do not think it is neccessary as of yet.

Should you care to establish a blog and wish to ask any and all here to come and respond, I doubt Bill would have much problem with that. But that response is would be on a site you are responsible for, and wherein you are the host, and therefore responsible for defending your thoughts and beliefs. Not standing in the aisle, demanding this thread go to where you desire.

I feel guilty already, as I have wasted this much of his bandwidth in my response to you, but I had some small hope that you would respond to a civil request to cease and desist in your misguided efforts. Establish yourself, then come back and announce your blog and ideas. Until then, abide by these slightly revised thoughts...

Those not adult in behavior and thought should remain quiet amongst the discussions of adults. To paraphrase Ben Franklin: "It is better to remain quiet and be thought an idiot than to speak and remove all doubt!"

Sapper Mike

Did he say 11 pages?

One last thought for our Perle-visitor:

I am interested in continuing the dialog that I opened with you. You responded to my suggestions civilly, though in disagreement. You made some comments about "Power", and I would like to respond.

But I won't, and here's why.

You included in your criticism of "Power" qute a bit of hostility. You alluded to Bill's pulling his essay because he might be embarassed. You ranted that "The issues discussed here are of vital national importance. I hope future discussion will center on hashing out those issues in good faith; instead of head-burying evasions, name-calling, and a barrage of bogus, disingenuous, hypocritical objections not worthy of a jailhouse lawyer."

You, yourself, have violated and/or caused the head-burying evasions (who are you? how can we get in touch with you?), name-calling (chickenhawks?) and the hypocritical objections too numerous to site (Perle is but a descant in this grand and dangerous symphony we are playing--not the central melodic theme). If you are interested in having honest, open debate, publish a blog or at least a valid email address so that anyone who is also interested in that debate can contact you directly. Until then...

I am through with you.

To Bill (and GHS if you are still wielding the staff of Bildalf): I'm leaving for a time, but will return when reasoned, on-topic debate rules the day. Wield the mighty staff as you see fit!

I'm still eagerly looking forward to "...And a miracle occurs." Take your time--your voice is important in this debate over truly important things.

Thanks--

Fletch

"I hope I represent my side better than many of you have represented yours."

You don't.

I disagree with almost all of your "neocon" claims. For example, I have no idea who Leo Straus is.

But you have so offended me that I have taken the only action I have available to me, as long as Bill keeps the keys.

Today I delivered a truck full of toys and school supplies to Camp Pendleton, to be taken with the Marines to Iraq. Tonight I donated $2000 to George Bush's presidential campaign, and $200 to Ralph Nader. Tomorrow, I will go back to work, and help preserve the national security of the United States.

I disagree with President Bush on many points. I won't donate to the Republican Senate campaign, because single party rule lets people like Orrin Hatch get away with the crap he does. But you have made it clear what America would become under a National Socialist government. I will do everything in my power to make sure that doesn't happen.

Tomorrow I'll be donating $2000 to John Thune. Because of you. And I'll give another $2000 to every Republican senate candidate in a close race. Because of you.

I'm not a wealthy man, I'm a working stiff. But before your 25 point plan is imposed on us, I will spend every cent, every hour, every drop of sweat I have to oppose you.

Good night.

1. They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.

Never read Trotsky. My liberal arts college prof's did. Maybe they're neo-cons.

2. They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.

Nope. I want some governments there to be replaced, but I don't care a whit about the borders.

3. They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.

A qualified yes. My desired end is no massive terrorist attack against the US or our allies, supported by the governments of failed states. If that means I have to go replace some governments and re-create the states - to the great benefit of their citizens - I'm in favor of it.

4. They accept the notion that the ends justify the means—that hard-ball politics is a moral necessity.

Every government thinks that. Every single one. Otherwise there would be no punishment meted out for breaking the law. There would be no war - because any state that was threatened would surrender. You, for instance, would never have been born, since the US would have surrendered to Germany. Or Japan. Or Spain. Or England. Whichever.

5. They express no opposition to the welfare state.

I express opposition to the welfare state. Pretty much everyone here does.

6. They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.

Empire? No one here wants to have American colonies in the middle east. We want to set up a stable, representative government that's not a threat to it's citizens or neighbors, and come home.

7. They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.

Like Churchill? Lincoln? Franklin Roosevelt? Truman? JF Kennedy? Carter?

8. They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.

Nope, not this group. A strong libertarian urge runs here.

9. They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and
withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.

I think you're talking about France here.

The Blogosphere thinks people shouldn't talk about how society is run? That's ALL we talk about.

10. They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill-advised.

Depends on the situation. When there's a good side and an evil side, neutrality sucks.

11. They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.

Don't know him. Don't know what he stands for.

12. They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.

See colonies, our lack of desire, above.

Besides, I thought "progressive" was your side? We're the conservatives? Remember?

13. Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should
not be limited to the defense of our country.

From time to time we might well step in to stop genocide, when we can. Kind of internationalist, you know? Why, are you an isolationist? Let the Hutus hack all the Tutsi's to death, do nothing - oh, wait, that's exactly what Clinton did. Never mind.

14. 9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.

Uh, yeah. Like, when Sudan offered Bin Ladin, we should have returned their phone call. Is this about your isolationism again?

15. They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)

Nope. Like I said, there's a strong libertarian streak here. And a strong urge to interpret the constitution as it was written, not by the fashion of the day.

16. They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.

Yep. Like all those raids on book stores and libraries. That haven't happened.

17. They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.

Many support Israel. Fewer support Likud. Most don't know Likud from Labor.

And, before I forget -

Go get your own blog and stop stealing other people's bandwidth.

Now, how do I contribute to that senator in Alaska?

Filthy trollses...I hatess them, I HATESS them. Wicked! Tricksey! False! Nice neocons! Neocons take care of Smeagol, give him crunchy birdses and wrriggglly fish -- Nice master!

Filthy trollses! Wring their filthy little necks, I will, Precious! Nasty trollses haven't GOT any friendsss...NOBODY likes YOU...

Come along, clever Hobbitses! Long way to go yet! Nice Smeagol! Smeagol will show bobbitses the way!

Gollum...Gollum!

Yee haah! That was a delight, Bill. I didn't read the troll's e-mails (what's the point) but I surely enjoyed your response. Others were fun, but yours was like a mini-nuke. There was nothing left but a shadow against a wall and some flakes of floating dust. Heh heh heh.

Perhaps you could let an occasional troll through GHS. For shooting practice. We could call them "clays" instead of trolls, because they fly apart with such a satisfying crack.

By "not using my email address" I mean not having it in the address line at all. Putting "NOT" in front of my email address and using that won't cut it. Stop hiding and get your own email address.

"That's not an answer, Pat."

Glad you noticed. Maybe if you opened your own blog and offered your questions there, someone might answer your demands. But then, if anyone remembers your antics here they might decide you just don't deserve it.

(Of course, you will just prove that my responses are useless. After all, it's impossible to shame someone who has none.)

Dear Pearle/swine -

You forgot to ask when I stopped beating my wife.

And apparently you've never heard of sarcastic humor.

Your "score" is utterly dishonest, and can only result from a most deliberate misreading of my replies. Look just at 15, which you say I agree with -

15. They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)

Nope. Like I said, there's a strong libertarian streak here. And a strong urge to interpret the constitution as it was written, not by the fashion of the day.

So, what part of "nope" don't you understand?

Bill, I am lothe to suggest this. But since the sitepest won't take it elsewhere, if we can't ban his ip, it may be time to shut the comments down again.

I seem to have missed it when we invaded Venezuela. There was an attempted coup against Chavez, who was democratically elected, and then (just like Hitler did) has been doing everything possible destroy democracy in his country so he can be ruler for life. It may have escaped your attention that we did nothing to help those who tried to overthrow Chavez.

As for Haiti, since when did a humanitarian intervention to restore order become an invasion? Hell, we're even working with the French to stablize things in Haiti, so you can hardly say we're being unilateral. (French troops in Haiti? Dessalines must be spinning in his grave...)

The Anonymous One strikes me as extremely unrealistic. He prattles on about Perle and neo-cons and such, "dragging" the US into war...it's as if he thought that there was nothing in the world outside the borders of the US. Two quotations seem relevant here, to cut through the fog of internal US partisan politics (Perle/swine, you're still an obsessive, BTW, subscribing to "the 'Devil' Theory of Politics"(look it up))

"You've got to have a good cop on the beat
if you want to have a peaceful neighborhood.
What goes for a neighborhood goes for the world.
The United States Marines
have been patrolling the world's tough neighborhoods,
protecting American lives and property,
ever since there was a United States
of America. We're the cops on the beat. We've learned,
like good cops, that when the tough boys get lawless,
there's more law in the business end of a riot-stick
than in a Supreme Court decision. These days of 1946,
it looks like time for America to get realistic instead
of starry-eyed" --Lewis B. (Chesty) Puller

"Force is the ultimate arbiter and any diplomatic policy that does
not rely on carrots and sticks will not really get you very far.
Without a club in the closet, without a credible threat of force,
policy becomes bluff, bluster" --Herbert Okun, UN Special Advisor

The oceans won't protect you anymore...they haven't protected you since before WW II. You may not be interested in war...but war is definitely interested in YOU.

Mr. Richard:
the above is why you do not feed trolls.
I wrote earlier about how someone might point out to "el trollo grando" facts which demonstrate his claims to be the bullshit that they are, and then he will find some obscure factoid to twist into a rebuttal.
Well, I hate being right like this, but that is exactly what has happened.
Now, "Magnus trollus uggus" is claiming that somehow, GWB is less libertarian than Kerry.
Kerry is as libertarian as Stalin was squeamish.
There are a number of things that Bush has done to upset us, and nobody is arguing that Bush is the second coming of Christ. The only reason I am voting for Bush and putting my support behind him is that things would be far worse with an opportunist like Kerry at the helm. The most important issue is the war on terror, and Bush, though not fighting as aggressively as suits my taste, is at least prosecuting the war. Kerry wishes to effectively surrender by only allowing us to be active on the world stage only when it is suitable to other potentates, and not when it is suitable to us.
Regrettably, the lesser of two evils is the only realistic option for me.
In other words, I am voting more against Kerry's destructive and defeatist policies, than for Bush's lapses of judgement.

....why did I do that?
...It's not like the knob-goblin Troll is going to do anything besides caricature me the way he wishes to see me, and haul out more ass-inine, obscure and, above all, faulty references in some sort of fit of psuedo-intellectial masturbation.

Bill!
standby for nine-line.....
IP: blog author
Heading: to your direct front.
distance: way too close.
elevation: pond scum
Description: dumb, verbose troll
Location: comments
Mark: dumber than a bag of wet hair
Friendlies: got your back
Egress: wherever the Hell you want

Requesting High-excisive in effect, over!

::sigh:: It might have something to do with the fact that Hugo Chavez is illegally blocking the attempts at recalling him by changing the requirements for the recall to be certified.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/8139904.htm

Of course, we all learned watching the 2000 election results in Florida that the left sees nothing wrong with changing the rules to suit their prefered outcome after the votes have been cast...

I had resolved not to waste the energy typing anymore when it came to anything relating to this dipshit...

But "Persecuted Like Jesus Christ". Damn, I haven't laughed that hard in MONTHS. I giggled when he claimed the bad meanie neocons FORCED him to act like an asshole and therefore all of his bad behavior was our fault, not his. I laughed when he claimed in essence that "neocons" are one Borglike entity plugged into a collective that all have the same interests, opinions, positions, and goals, hence if we support Bush for foreign policy reasons we must be Isreal-loving foes of liberty. (And I'll join in the chorus: Leo Strauss? Who?)

But that one just tipped me over the edge into full hilarity. DAMN. *sings "Jesus wants me for a troll"*

He may be irritating cybervermin, but at least he's made my afternoon.

Anyway, IP banning is really pretty weak unless the person you're banning is both on a static IP address and has no idea what they're doing. You can try banning an IP range, but that's not really effective if he's on a really wide pool like AOL or some cable companies. You can try server banning (.htaccess), but that only works if you're sure the pest in question is not using a proxy server. The best method in my experience is still the old-fashioned one: hand out stars and deputize trusted users with lots of time and internet access on their hands. As in real life, on the internet police are usually more effective than total crime prevention.

Bill, I think you should keep this guy around. His rhetoric is hilarious (DoublePlusUnGood...haha!). Sometimes I think the Berkely crowd [i]wants[/i] Orwell's little nightmare to come true, they seem to have such a hard on for it.

*grumbles about stupid HTML code*

It's brackets for italics in BBS!

I was just making myself a snack, and while I waited for it to warm up I tried making a little hat out of tinfoil, just to see what it was like. Long story short, I've come up with a conspiracy theory of my own! It's got to be what's really going on!

Scene: smoke-filled room, sometime in January 2004. Shadowy figures strongly suspected to be old white guys sit around a table somewhere in Washington.

"This election is a critical moment."
"It won't be like 2000. Too many people are awake now. They're too active. They're too informed."
"What are we going to do? Too many of them are actually going to vote on the issues this time around! There are too many centrists! Our boy can't handle it!"
"My son keeps telling me about this internet thing where these people are getting together and... talking and debating all the time."
"Are they centrists?"
"Most of 'em."
*group shudder*
"I've got a plan. Nothing works to weld a group together like a common enemy, right? We need to find these people something to fear and despise, clear a little of that reason out of their heads."
"You don't question your chief when there's wolves at the door, is that right?"
"It's the oldest principle in politics."

*fast-forward to March 2004*

Scene: One intrepid blogger has finally succeeded in tracing the IP range of a particularly pestilential troll back to its origin.

Bill: "What the.... the RNC?"

Hey. It could happen!

He was almost making an argument there for a post. It was like finding a shrivelled kernel of corn in ... oh, for God's Sakes, never mind.

He's back to cutting and pasting again. Weak.

HOWEVER, the Great Silver-Maned AVENGER has been given the keys to the Black Gate and a Ring of Power (I just READ the damn trilogy; I'll be in this mode for a week or two -- sorry) and so I suspect that it takes Hellboy longer to write these damn things than it does for GHS to delete them.

It will take a while, of course, but there is in the end no escaping the Second Law of Thermodynamics -- he's doing more work than we are for ever-decreasing effect. Eventually, he will tire and begin to assail the HELLO KITTY community with Perle's misdeeds regarding animated cats, and the air will clear.

You know what this is like? It's like waking up and finding some dirtbag has sprayed PERLE IS TAMPERING WITH MY PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS! on the side of the library building. And the only solution is to apint over it right away. Next morning, PERLE LIVES DEEP UNDERNEATH THE SURFACE OF THE MOON AND HAS TARGETED ME WITH HIS IMPOTENCE RAY! More fresh paint. Next morning: PERLE DOESN'T LOVE ME! HE NEVER LOVED ME! And so on.

Sooner or later, a less well-maintained blank surface will appear. I know for a fact that there are quilting chatrooms, and bass fishing forums, that are less well-patrolled. I'm sure they know nothing about the Perle Menace and His Threat To World Civilization.

Time's a wastin'. So many conspiracies, so little personal influence. What's a raving lunatic to do while the paper mache' is drying on the Giant Perle puppet?

BW

PS Perle made me write this. I only agreed because he said he would make is snow tomorrow and I like snow.

LabRat, I've got a better one:)

I picked this up from Communist sci-fi writer Ken McLeod's website. Turns out Trotskyist-Commies believe that humanity's move into outer space is a historical necessity: http://kenmacleod.blogspot.com/2004_03_01_kenmacleod_archive.html#107860879847384890
If it's true that neo-cons are mostly former Trotskyists...I picked that one up from a right-wing isolationist site...then this is the reason for taking control of essential oil supplies. It puts Bush's Mars speech in perspective, too.
I'd better take off my tinfoil hat, now.

Hi. I'm Bill, and I'm A Richard Perle Mind Control Victim.

[Hi Bill!]

Now that our eyes have been opened, I think now would be a good time for us all to confess just exactly what Perle has forced each of us to do using his Perlescent Power Beam.

I, for one, am willing to stand before you all and admit that Perle made me eat a booger when I was eleven, and that the bastard certainly could have let me know that that blond hottie on Santa Monica Blvd was actually a man. I mean, a She-male. A she-he. I mean, a valued and diverse member of the LGBT community, who is beautiful in his/her own unique and special way. He set me up after I was no longer useful to him, that son of a bitch!

Also, Perle invented the Pop-Tart and the apostrophe. Bastard.

Tick tick tick tick....

Hear that, asshat? Those are the seconds ticking away on your latest. Hope to get that interval down to a half hour or so.

Hey, Troll;

BREAKING NEWS!....

...Nobody cares!

out of boredom, I read those accusations;
Basically, Hicks is accused of investing UTICOM money where he had his money. When allegations were made, he decided it wasn't worth the crap, so he left UTICOM.
How evil! ....tying the fate of the interests he is in charge of with his own financial fate.
sheesh.
The nerve of the guy.
Can you imagine?
That means that if UTICOM doesn't make money than he doesn't either!
I can't believe he is willing to go down with the ship!
How,...How....
....NEOCON!

Wow.

I got this gnarled looking cyber-staff thingy in my e-mail today, and it came with a shitload of instructions. I shall review them tonight.

BWAH-HAH-hah-hah-haaaaaaa....!

Anyhoo, in closing (since I won't be responding to any more Perle vomit hereafter, except with a touch of this staff-thingy here), to Mr. Secret Agent Perlehumper...

Congratulations! This site has never been this vociferously riled up before! Ever! And you did it all by yourself! Not us... we didn't rile OURSELVES up. So again, congratulations... mission accomplished.

No, wait a minute... that can't be right. If all we do here is evade coherent debate and belittle dissenters, then how could this be the first time things have ever gone this far? Maybe nobody ever voiced a contrary opinion here before. Nope, that's not it. Or maybe IT'S JUST YOU.

You actually started off okay -- bad timing, irrelevant and off-topic to this particular comment stream, but you spoke well, used big words, and stuck to one topic. And you may have noticed (and you can still check it out, since THEIR comments haven't been deleted), that people actually did respond to you. Granted, they told you much the same thing -- wrong place, wrong time, wrong audience -- and even chastised you for your out-of-the-blue kick-in-the-door tactics, but nobody called for your banishment.

You had made your point! And your POINT didn't get any argument, because either nobody here had anything to contest it with (like me), or your intrusiveness turned them so far off (like me) that they didn't want to encourage another posting from you by responding, or (again like me) they just didn't friggin' care! As I mentioned in MY first reply to you, Perle is nothing new, he's NOT unique, and his alleged complicity in all these heinous crimes will NOT bring the ruin of democracy as we know it, all of which MAKE your "point" just another anti-Bush administration rant! Especially considering your anvil-through-the-ceiling delivery!

And then you had to go and declare war on us ("I'll think I'll keep coming back here, since this is right where I need to be" -- [paraphrased, since the original has been blessedly vaporized]).

So let's review -- YOU barged in on a friendly chatting exchange with irrelevant, inflammatory, bullying, and did I mention IRRELEVANT charges. YOU didn't get the fight you wanted, so YOU just kept taking pokes and jabs at us until we'd finally had enough. Then YOU decided to turn this into a battle of attrition. YOU decided to intentionally annoy a group of people who'd already told you "there's no fight here... go away!" So, YOU crashed the party, YOU refused to drop the issue, YOU refused to leave, and YOU chose to behave badly while you remained.

What bouncer would be doing his job if he DIDN'T throw you out the door by your digital collar and cyber belt-loop?

(whew) There. Got that off my chest.

Now, back to these instructions. Let's see -- "insert Oaken Knot A into Staff Slot 3..."

GHS

Hello Kitty websites are bracing for the onslaught as we speak. They know the deep and sinister connection between Hello Kitty and Richard Perle. They know!

Readin' mah good friehnd, tha gennulman from Flahdah, Great Hairy Silvahback, I am struck, I say, STRUCK, by tha simahlarity to that old Amurican Touristah ad featurin' that gorillah, I say, GORILLAH, bashin' that poor little suitcase all ta hell.

Mistah Perle is not only not holdin' tha floor -- he can't get up off it!

Now Mistah Silvahback, be sure to wash, I say WASH between yoah toes, ya heah? You doan wanna be trackin' any a that Perle stuff inta tha house, now do ya sah?.

Looks like the Servants of the Mouthless One are prepared for him...

http://www.dragonrealm.com/exlibrismortis/ExLibrisnew_HKDreadnoughtIndex.html

More of the militant wing of the Church of the Mouthless...

Dave the Australian wrote:

"Did he say 11 pages?"

Well, not exactly. He said he finished the 11th page, and didn't like it. That doesn't mean there are only 11. I certainly hope not. That's far too short for one of Bill's masterpieces.

Doc Rusk - You are right. I hang my head in shame. I should know better by now.

GHS, congratulations. I pray you will use your power for good, and never for evil.

Hey look everybody! Yet ANOTHER "point" that Perlehumper has ALREADY MADE! Regurgitated again, just for us! And again and again and again! TWO of them, actually... there's "WE'RE a herd," and "Perle's a bad guy!" All without even once acknowledging his own role in this little bout of shit-flinging. What's in store for us tomorrow, do you think? I don't know... maybe "we're a herd, and Perle's a bad guy!" Again! Wow! I can't wait for the NEXT installment.

Just as well... something to practice on for my first wave(s) of the wand (though it'll have to be tomorrow -- I'm into my 21st hour of sleep deprivation, with another early rise in the morning).

So memorize all that in-depth commentary, since it won't be around for review much longer.

I hope.

GHS

P.S.- Um, Bill... what's it mean when this staff starts heating up in the presence of a loaded toilet bowl?

There's some 1970's pop psychology thingie-- that describes people's behavior in terms of 'games'. Little games with unspoken rules. (Bill Whittle owns me)

Like a bunch of old farts sitting around saying "Remember listening to waltzes on the old Victrola?" -- are really playing a game where they establish their group identity. I'm more folksy and colorful than a celler full of nine-tailed alley cats at a rocking chair convention

Listing items they remember in common affirms that they're a group. Every time one answers "Yes, I remember"-- he's saying "Yes, I'm a member!". And when they all complain about how things aren't as good lately-- they're defining who Isn't a member of their little pity party. I read about going to a party once.

It's a peril I meant Perle of conservatism-- that the group's ruling principle is really a fuzzyheaded herd mentality; mistaking a morose human longing for the past -- for clear vision. The sheep goes 'Moooooooo!'

"Nostalgia is a drug", says Bob Dylan. "I don't wanna be a Drug Dealer!" And since nostalgia is such a nasty drug I believe I'll quote today's hottest, hippest and freshest young talent: Bob Dylan

Even absent the censored comments; this blog page is a desperate demonstration of a group at it's worst. Let me in, please! I'm so lonely...so very, very lonely... Limply trying to draw lines of Us and Them against a threat is nothing more than all-American speech itself. Beyond that, the Boogie-Troll is a creature of your own fears. I loved the boogie trolls on Soul Train when I used to watch it in my parents basement on Friday nights at 8:30 Like an effete Victorian I can't see his eyes, but DAMN that Bill Whittle is a sexy man! putting an orange-scented doily to his nose at the distant sight of a Commoner/ Did I say doily? I meant handkerchief! MUST...REPRESS...FRILLY IMPULSES...recoiling from a smell that only reaches him in his fragile imagination. This website makes me feel funny in the pants...

This is your frightened game:
The forced-jocularity. It MUST be forced, it just HAS to be. I wish I had a friend, aside from this miserable sock puppet The puffed-up empty bluster. I'm sorry Socky! I didn't mean it. Don't you leave me too, Socky! SOCKY! NO!!! The sycophants howling for the daddy-figure. I have little Yodas on my underpants! The desperate recitation of favorite myths. What's it like to kiss a girl? Is it gross?

Herd huddling. with those big, muscular thighs..alll pressed together in a manly huddle -- not in a gay way or anything

At least you manage that with drill-precision. Mustn't..cry...just keep..typing..through the tears...

Other defensive reactions have been scattershot. but, I must admit, completely accurate We're back to Bill I'm going to keep on writing MRS. BILL WHITTLE a million times until it comes true! taunting me to post to my hearts content (since I'll be deleted anyway.) Sooner or later he'll settle on a consistent stance, I expect. But not so far. Go ahead! Fly your little airplanes! Your sleek little airplanes, way up there, over the rainbow somewhere, your wings dipping into a dream and your beautiful brown eyes set on the far horizon! I hate you! I HATE YOU!!

The ones accusing me of rude profanity should coordinate more with those flinging rude profanity at me-- or at least check in with the ones professing that hypocrisy Matters. What have I done to deserve this hostility? Mommy? Dad? Sis? The car's all packed with stuff. Where are we going? Dad! Wait, you forgot about ME! Mommy? MOMMMMMYYYY!!!!!

Must...not...think of...

Tonight is the one-year anniversary of Sy Hersh writing about Richard Perle's Ahh! AHHH!! OOHhhhhoh mygodohmygodohmygod...BABY! YESS! YEEAH!! Ohhh my God! Oh, Jesus. Wow. Mnnnnnnnn. Man. Where's the towel?apparent conflicts of interests in the New Yorker. The magazine's cover date is March 10, 2003. But actually that's that Last day the issue was on the stands. So publication was actually a year and a week ago. Of course, this being a leap year, it does throw the calculation off somewhat. So you could say a year and a week, but in actually it was three hundred and sixty SIX days and a week, which makes three hundred and seventy four days from when it hit the news stand, although in common usage you could still say a year and a week since it was published and not be technically LYING, even though, to be fair I suppose on reflection that it is more accurate to say 374 days after all to avoid any confusion about exactly when the article hit the newstands. Now of course, reprints in Australia or New Zealand, or any where else on the other side of the international dateline, for that matter, technically would have hit the newsstands a day earlier, which means a year and a week if you live east of the international dateline, but 374 days for the United States and other countries in the western hemisphere.

But using the cover as a guideline, today would have been the last day in which Richard Perle could have filed suit for libel; as he repeatedly threatened-- against Hersh. I think that horrible, muscular, butch Richard Perle would look good in a very thin, tatseful gold necklace. MMMnnnnn....Perle necklace...

I mean, it's possible that Perle could sue later. This is the point where my therapist usually puts down his pencil and starts rubbing his eyes But then he'd have to argue the uphill-battle that the statute of limitations Hadn't expired. His perogative. But if he's really interested in Winning; he should have filed. Man, I really can spin a yarn!

But who knows what preposterous behavior Perle is capable of? Maybe he'll file in a decade.

More closure on Perle ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz--What? My God, I was typing in my sleep! What'd I miss? comes in the form of a ruling regarding his Defense Policy Board conflicts of interest. An investigation ruled that Perle only officially _technically_ punched-the-clock 8 days last year; working for the board. Only 8 days! "Too busy to answer my letters" my ass! Richard, you rotten bastard -- didn't that magical evening in the I-10 rest area Men's room mean ANYTHING to you? And so-- since Ethics rules require one to Perle disclose conflicts within 60 days of taking a Perle government job-- Perle need not Perledisclose his conflicts until the year Two thousand and Perle.

Looks to me like that interpretation of the letter of the law is not in keeping with the spirit. Who's the insecure, obsessive, paranoid-delusional wounded child full of repressed rage NOW? Huh?

What do you think?

Hello? HELLO? Test one, test one. Is this thing on?

Was Bill just being Foghorn Leghorn?

G-d I hope so.

ROFL. Loved it. That is hilarious. MMMnnnnn....Perle necklace... I needed a good laugh. Thanks

There has to be SOME reason that Troll-boy is so fixated on one lowly neo-con.

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that Richard Perle recently f*cked this guy's wife?

--Dave

His wife?

Dave, come on. It's not really that hard to figure out. Pull off the blinders of your own horror and behold the cause and effect in all it's hideous and awesome glory.

THEN you can rip your own eyes out.

from THE MANAGEMENT:

[HONESTLY, THIS TOOK LONGER THAN I THOUGHT; BUT AT LAST, SOMEONE HAS GONE TO THE TROUBLE TO POINT OUT THAT THE WHOLE NEOCON CONSPIRACY -- THAT'S US, FOLKS -- ARE ACTUALLY IN THRALL TO THE METHODISTS!!

WAIT, DID I SAY METHODISTS? MY MISTAKE! THE ARTICLE, SHOCKINGLY, CLAIMS WE ARE ALL BEING DUPED BY THE JEWS

THERE'S A SHOCKER. I'M SURE THESE SCUMBAGS HAVE NOTHING PERSONALLY AGAINST NEOCONS -- THEY JUST DON'T WANT US PLAYING AT THEIR GOLF COURSES OR MARRYING THEIR SISTERS IS ALL.

IT'S NEVER GONE AWAY, HAS IT FOLKS? AND TO ALL MY READERS, THIS IS A PROMISE: I GET ONE WHIFF OF THIS ANTISEMITIC BULLSHIT AND ISP'S ARE GOING TO BE FILED WITH THE FBI.]

BW

Reading Michael Moore's smarter brother's posts is a chore. So many dots connected. I think he must have been on the grassy knoll.

I couldn't possibly compete dot by dot with that kind of passion for a cause, perhaps to my detriment. I just don't have the energy for it.

Luckily for folks such as myself, clarity comes in the frozen image of a human being hurling herself from a burning skyscraper on 9/11.

To obscure the lesson of that singular act speaks darkly of the true motivations of the left.

Oh well. Guess I'll join the vast neocon-spiracy and go beat some baby seals.

ROFLMAO!

I think I've seen this before...

By DSM-IV criteria, Tourette's syndrome is characterized by the following features:

Multiple motor and one or more phonic tics RICHARD PERLE(not necessarily concurrently)
Onset before age 18 years
Tics that occur many times RICHARD PERLE a day, nearly every day or intermittently for more than a year, with symptom-free intervals not exceeding 3 months
Variations in anatomic location, number, frequency, complexity, and severity of the tics over time RICHARD PERLE
Tics that are not related to intoxication with psychoactive substances or central nervous system (CNS) disease (eg, encephalitis)
Symptoms that cause RICHARD PERLE significant impairment of social, academic, and occupational functioning
If only motor or vocal tics are present (not both), the appropriate diagnosis is chronic tic disorder. If single or multiple motor or vocal tics RICHARD PERLE are present many times a day, nearly every day for at least 4 weeks but no longer than 12 consecutive months, the term "transient tic disorder" applies. Transient tics RICHARD PERLE are seen in 20% of children during their first decade of life.

Several conditions, termed tourettism ACK RICHARD PERLE, may mimic Tourette's syndrome. Drugs, including stimulants, levodopa RICHARD PERLE(Dopar, Larodopa), and antiepileptic medications (eg, phenytoin [Dilantin], carbamazepine [Atretol, Epitol, Tegretol], lamotrigine [Lamictal]), may cause tourettism. Discontinuation of the offending drug leads to prompt remission of the tics. Neuroleptic medications with potent dopamine2 (D2) antagonist activity (eg, haloperidol [Haldol]) may cause tardive tourettism, which presents with RICHARD PERLE delayed and often permanent tics identical to Tourette's syndrome.

for more info:http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/2000/10_00/evidente_tic.htm

wow.
another conspiracy theory.
wow.
It's about Perle.
i'm shocked.
and wolfowitz.
really shocking.
[Yawn]
When does he get Elvis into it?

Galen, you had me at "Ack."

You had me at ACK!

clarity comes in the frozen image of a human being hurling herself from a burning skyscraper

I can't say anything, on any topic, more clearly than that. Thank you.

I have a challenge to Bill's fans. Pick a number - some fraction of your weekly income.

Every time the pest posts here, donate that amount to the Republican candidate of your choice. (Be careful not to exceed $2000 to any one candidate.)

I've already maxed out in contributions to GWB and John Thune, I need a list of worthy Republicans that have tough fights ahead. If anyone knows of such a list, please let me know. I REALLY wish Zell Miller was running again.

Richard R, I can't afford to donate anything but time, but I'll suggest Bobby Jindal running for the 1st Congressional District and David Vitter running for the Senate from Louisiana.

Hmmn, that first link didn't work. Try this one...

That's right. I'm a technophilic conservationist pro-choice pro-gay pro-science anti-war-on-drugs knuckledragging conservative stuck in the stone age and hearkening to everything William F. Buckley says. (I think the last time I paid attention to anything he said was when he pointed out that the war on weed is stupid. Time before that was when he spoke at my college graduation. I think that's actually about it.)

Between the original idiot and the fiskings this thread is a total riot. XD

ACK!

Of COURSE!! The Asia Times is certainly not anti-semetic! If THEY'RE telling us the Jews are behind a conspiracy to enslave the world, they're CERTAINLY being objective. And that means that the anonymous moron (that can't even settle on a nom de troll) isn't anti-semetic either!!

Methinks he doth protest too much. We hit a little nerve there, Troll Boy? You seem all intent on Neocons (whatever they are, they can't even agree) supporting Israel. Let me guess - you support Arafat and his martyr brigade? Or do you support Assad instead? Or the mullahs in Iran?

Were you dancing in the street and giving out candy on 9/11? Or just giving thanks to God that a great blow had been struck against the Great Satan?

Tell us, other than the mass murder, what part of National Socialism do you disagree with?

Whoa! Did you see that? Two postings addressed "FAR FROM ANTI-SEMETIC" just up and went away, with just a touch of this here club... er, "staff." Wow. Pretty cool.

Check Lesson #1.

Unfortunately, with all MY computer savvy, I don't wanna try and get TOO slick. I'm going to have to settle for just smashing rats over the head with it, I think. Bildalf might be able to use it for blinding flying lizards and driving them away from the battlefield, but for a while at least, I'm just going to be playing Whack-a-Mole with it (which has its own twisted appeal).

Anyway, for the time being at least, I think I'll skip Lesson #2 -- "Banning IP Addresses" (I can't even spell "IP") -- since, with this particular Perle-fanatic, after enough bannings, I'd probably wind up banning anyone with an AOL address, or anyone in the "Pearlvision" catalog database or something.

Instead, next stop, Lesson #3 -- how to do what Bill did with "Breaking News" (17 postings above): "Altering the Text of a Fanatic's Post." That looks like fun.

Feel free to keep contributing, Mr. Perlehumper. I need the practice.

But for now, off to work.

GHS

Terrific, GSH! Could you unleash your awsome power against "Haiti Venezuela and USMC" "Breaking news" and "I amd not antisemetic"

BTW, do you ever make it to California? If so, let me know, I'd love to have you and Bill down to the Ship for dinner.

There is a huge difference between witnessing evil and doing something about it.

Please whack the troll's 9-11 story with your mighty Gandalf staff, GHS. His story is concerned only with himself, his experiences, his feelings. There is no depth and no understanding of that day. I am reminded of something my sister told me once -- liberals, having rejected God, eventually come to believe that they are gods.

Oh yes, and he can't write his way out of a paper bag. My eight-year-old can put together a better essay than that.

This is not about deleting comments or erasing legitimate opinions. Differences of opinions and discussion on them is what these comments sections are about.

The problem with the Perle lunatic is not that he had a differing opinion. I had no problem with his posting his first little cut and paste diatribe. What I will not tolerate is hijacking my website as a mouthpiece to make mindless, one-note, ongoing obsessive statements. If you don't understand the differences between discussion and speechmaking then you don't deserve to be here anyway.

Steve, just automatically delete anything else that mentions Richard Perle from that dipshit. It's fascinating to me how easy it is for certain types of people, in thrall to a certain strict philosophy, to project that same herd mentality onto others and assume that we all do nothing but read Strauss or beam in signals from the Perle Mind Control Satellites so we will know what to think.

What does that tell you about the person making those charges? It tells me that they are incapable of original thought, and that their ego boundries are so thin that they simply cannot imagine that other people could be exposed to what they consider a contrary viewpoint without coming under its sway.

Which is why this whole exercise has ultimately been a good thing, because when I am directly confronted by this kind of sickness it makes me angry, and when I get angry I start to sharpen the blades for more useful work.

Get t