June 5, 2007


Hi everyone,

Well, I had a busy week in the real-world job. We did a one-hour special at the Cannes Film Festival. Among the guests were Harvey Weinstein and Michael Moore. If you ever wanted to know what 800 lbs of cholesterol sitting on a beach looked like, your curiousity was assuaged. Then followed a brief discussion among four multi-multi-millionaires about how people like you and me need to pay for everyone else's health care, including, presumably, their own. The education one gets in this business...

But I digress.

"Disneyland will never be completed. It will continue to grow as long as there is imagination left in the world." --Walt Disney

What we are trying to do right now is to get a functional version of Ejectia! up and running as soon as possible. Whatever we have in place on Day One will simply be a starting point for the improvements we are planning on Day Two. Ejectia! -- like every city -- will be built on the foundations of what it was yesterday. It will never be finished. And so, with dedication and continued hard work, even the most glittering version will be, in the words of our Tech leader, Paul, merely "the ruins of the Ejectia! of tomorrow." That's a thought for the ages.

So on behalf of everyone currently working their butts off for free, I would like to simply state that we are trying to get something fun and interesting opened as soon as possible to deliver the core elements of self-improvement. There is so much more we have planned, and all of you will be able to contribute things I can never imagine. All that will come in good time.

The first wave of volunteers I called for, the IT and web specialists, have been doing an incredible job. I am privy to the flurry of e-mails they send to each other daily, and I stare at them with much the same expression as your dog has when he watches TV.  

Here's what's been happening:

Our tech Army of Darkness has defined the initial platform, and some of the modules we hope to have working at the opening are being written. We should start testing some of them in a few days. We have a domain name, a web host, and more. I have gotten some of the software I personally need to render the landscapes and the buildings.

So, I have waited until we reached this point to open a new comment thread, and here it is:

We have the tech wheels well underway. I think, at this point, we can proceed to a new phase. So I would like to call on you again, you magnificent and talented people. What we need next is twofold:

First, I would like to ask anyone who is a graphic designer to email me at bill@ejectejecteject.com (and put DESIGN in the header) if you would be interested in helping with the overall look of the place for Phase 1. I would like to limit this to people who are professionals, and who are willing to volunteer their talents along with the rest of us.  

As I mentioned in YOU ARE NOT ALONE, the key to the enterprise is expertise. I can assure you that everyone will have a chance to contribute in turn. But for the moment we need people with graphic design experience and a portfolio.

That is the narrow call. Here is a broad one:

In the near future, we will be calling for submissions to this vast Library of Experience that we all hold in our heads: a Library that will never be filled, but which must start somewhere. In order that we don't ask for mountains of work that we may not be able to use right away, we will be calling for proposals. Again, this will happen in a few days, but for now, I thought I'd put a bug in your ears: if you are one of those inclined to contribute, could you begin to think about a two-paragraph proposal for a University of Ejectia! Library entry?

The first paragraph should be a brief outline of what you want to write about, and how it is useful to other people. The second paragraph should be about why you are qualified to write on the subject.

Here's an example that I personally plan to submit:

I would like to write an entry on what happens behind the scenes on a commercial jet flight. In it, I hope to show what is happening in the airplane, on the flight deck, and in the air traffic control centers as the flight proceeds from Orlando to Los Angeles.  I will discuss what the engines are doing, how the navigation systems work, what the pilots are preparing to do next, how they are being handled by ATC, and what all of this looks like as you view it out the window. I hope to give the reader an appreciation of all the work that goes on behind the scenes in order to keep them safe and comfortable.

I'm a 500 hour instrument-rated pilot who has taught ground school for the private pilot exam. I have spent many hours in radio contact with Air Traffic Control in the Los Angeles basin, and I have an excellent understanding of basic aircraft systems, radio and GPS navigation, and the national airspace system.

That's really all we need.

I'd like to stress that while I thought I'd get you thinking about this, we are not quite ready for the actual proposal just yet...probably by the end of the week, and I will mention when in a new post when we are ready. We'll take a look at the proposals, and while I cannot promise that all will be approved right away, I CAN promise that we will carefully read and respond to every one we receive.

Remember, we are trying to open as soon as possible, so that limits just how many of these we can get ready. If we initially have to defer your proposal to a later time, I hope you will not take it personally.

Anyway, that's the immediate progress. Things are happening rather quickly behind the scenes. By the end of the coming weekend I will have a new update, and we'll be able to talk more about some of the amazing ideas we are having for further downstream.

A final, and very important note:

I and several others have read, and continue to read, every comment left by all of you. They have provided incredibly valuable ideas which have been and continue to be incorporated backstage. But they have done something much more important than that.

They continue to show all of us that there is a community of very bright, friendly, decent and honorable people out there who deserve nothing less than the best we can deliver.  Your comments and continued words of support -- to say nothing of the mind-boggling generosity you have shown in terms of volunteering time and ideas -- are making us all better people before any of this gets officially off the ground.

On behalf of those already working behind the scenes, and the many more to come, I want to thank you for providing us with an example of how good people can behave. We hope and expect to live up to the example you are setting for us daily.

Keep those comments coming! Every single one of them matters. Even the simplest sentence of support from you has unimaginable power to encourage and motivate this process.

More soon. I think we are on to something VERY big.


Posted by Proteus at June 5, 2007 1:02 PM

Welcome to the Eject! Eject! Eject! commenter community. Please read and understand the following:

1. This is not a public square. This is a dinner party on personal property. Good conversation is not only tolerated but celebrated here. But the host understands the difference between dissent and disrespect, even if you do not. Louts will be ignored until the bouncers can show them the door.

2. This is a voluntary online community. Your posting of any material, whether in comments or otherwise, grants to William A. Whittle, Aurora Aerospace, Inc. and their affiliates, a perpetual, royalty-free, non-exclusive, worldwide license to use, sublicense, reproduce or incorporate into other material all or any portion of the material posted, for commercial or other use.

3. If a comment does find its way into a main page essay, print, or other media, every effort will be made to credit the individual making the comment. So chose your screen name accordingly, SLNTFRT33@yahoo.com!

Now let's see some distributed intelligence and basic human decency! Don't make me come down there every five minutes!


Now, all you lurkers who are intimidated by a thousand comments on an article... Here's virgin territory to step up and say hi.

And if any of you want to be reporters for the Ejectia Gazette, we'll be talking soon.

And you'd better fear and respect The Monster, because I sure as hell do.

I cannot *wait* to see how it looks -- this is better than being five years old, and waiting for the Disneyland gates to open.

/me is off to think of "what I can teach".

Have sent my official notice to volunteer as a professional designer and am looking forward to contributing in any way I can.

Question: Is there to be a planning and zoning commission? Because if there is I'm probably going to have to start drafting a request for a variance!

You never know where you'll meet them...

Graying duo keep passenger in check

By Kevin Cullen, Globe Staff | June 5, 2007

Shortly before landing, Bob Hayden and a flight attendant had agreed on a signal: When she waved the plastic handcuffs, he would discreetly leave his seat and restrain an unruly passenger who had frightened some of the 150 people on board a Minneapolis-to-Boston flight Saturday night with erratic behavior.

Hayden, a 65-year-old former police commander, had enlisted a gray-haired gentleman sitting next to him to assist. The man turned out to be a former US Marine.

"I had looked around the plane for help, and all the younger guys had averted their eyes. When I asked the guy next to me if he was up to it, all he said was, 'Retired captain. USMC.' I said, 'You'll do,' " Hayden recalled. "So, basically, a couple of grandfathers took care of the situation."

The incident on Northwest Airlines Flight 720 ended peacefully, but not before Hayden, a former Boston police deputy superintendent and former Lawrence police chief, and the retired Marine had handcuffed one man and stood guard over another until the plane touched down safely at Logan International Airport around 7:50 p.m.

State Police troopers escorted two men off the flight. Trooper Thomas Murphy, a State Police spokesman, said one of the men was transported to Massachusetts General Hospital for "an unspecified medical issue, possibly mental health."

He said State Police detectives will investigate whether the man's behavior should be treated as a medical or criminal matter. A second man escorted off the plane identified himself as the unruly passenger's brother. Murphy said police would not release the names of the men, who Hayden said appeared to be in their 30s or 40s.

Dean Breest, a spokesman for Northwest, confirmed that "there was an incident that required State Police to come on board the aircraft" but declined further comment.

Hayden said the unruly man's behavior upset some passengers. One told Hayden the man had said, "Your lives are going to change today forever," as he shouted and refused to take his seat before takeoff and at various times during the nearly three-hour flight. He said that at one point the man lay on his back and was screaming, moaning, and thrashing on the floor.

"Some people were crying," Hayden said. "I thought it might be a diversion. I kept scanning the back of the plane to see if anyone was going to rush forward. The flight attendants did a great job, literally surrounding the two guys who were making all the noise. I told one of the flight attendants I was a retired police officer and would be willing to assist, so we agreed on a signal."

When the captain announced preparations for landing, the man jumped up shouting, the flight attendant held up the handcuffs, and Hayden and the Marine came bounding down the aisle. Hayden said he and the retired Marine, whose name he never got, received an ovation from fellow passengers, and "some free air miles."

Hayden's wife of 42 years, Katie, who was also on the flight, was less impressed. Even as her husband struggled with the agitated passenger, she barely looked up from "The Richest Man in Babylon," the book she was reading.

"The woman sitting in front of us was very upset and asked me how I could just sit there reading," Katie Hayden said. "Bob's been shot at. He's been stabbed. He's taken knives away. He knows how to handle those situations. I figured he would go up there and step on somebody's neck, and that would be the end of it. I knew how that situation would end. I didn't know how the book would end."

So what we're aiming for is something like Wikipedia, only with accountability and expertise? I like this.

Folks, Richard has just given me a chance to teach something. The staff at the Boston Globe worked hard to produce that story. It's not right for us to put the whole thing here. Instead, quote a couple of grafs, and give a nice link to the Globe story, so that they can get the ad impressions.

This is a beautiful example of the kind of story the Gazette will want to link to, or even editorialize about. But the proprieties must be observed at all times, fellow citizens.

Hola, Ya'll.
I've had my blue vest dry cleaned and loaded up my pink stickerator. Step right up and say howdy.


Whenever I fly I talk to the men around me just to prepare for this kind of possibility. My fear is that I won't have time to arrange for a signal of some sort with an attendant...

Can we get this guy to write our new Constitution?

Guys, I've been reading the comments you've left and let me tell you - I'm impressed and can't wait to be a part of this community. I'm new to comments so I tend to not want to say anything until I read them all and let me tell you - you all are a hard gang to follow so far.

Bill, you are the man. I have sent everything you have written to my friends and family - I am very glad that there are others out there as well and Ejectia! is on it's way.

I feel kinda silly because I really don't know what I'm good at - it's something I've been thinking about for a long time (I took an extended.. uh, siesta after high school and a year of college to come back and get a B.S. in Physics and Mathematics). I'm getting ready to go back to school to get my master's but heavens, I'm not an expert in Physics, by any means!

I will do what I can, when I can - I just need something to do :) Can you provide a list of a few things that are needed - maybe, simple basic things so you and the others can focus on the more expertise-requiring items?

Allright! Can't wait to see the new digs and make myself at home.

Being a non-tech person, I have no idea of the work that you folks are doing but I'm no less thankful for it.


Cheers, Bill. I can't say I'm exactly sure about where we're going, but I can't wait to get there!

The email address in the post is wrong.

It is missing a c in the second eject.

Hi Kari,

Glad you've stepped out of the shadows - Welcome!

...and don't downplay your abilities - I know a LOT of people who never got it together enough to come out of that post-HS-siesta...

- MuscleDaddy

Kari, a BS in physics and math means a) you know a LOT more about physics and math than most of us here and b)stuff in those fields that you don't know - you know how to find out who does know. Welcome!

There have been several comments by women saying they're "just" stay at home moms. Since I'm a middle aged man who's only child is a 3 year old girl, the knowledge those moms bring is gold for me.

Mr. Macklin, you interested in being a copy editor for the Gazette, as well as other duties as may come along? a Send me an email and I'll get you signed up.

you're right, too many comments in the last thread...

read & lurked for awhile, bought the book, and excited to see where this goes. And God bless all the sheepdogs!


Thanks for the update. Very exciting - can't wait until the grand opening! In the meantime, will continue pondering what I can contribute... But I liked Kari's suggestion of a list of things that might be needed. My past experience volunteering is that everyone wants to help, but we don't want to get in the way... So ideas are welcome. And perhaps after Day One, we will start to see how we can contribute.
BTW, that visual image with which you started... Please tell me that the new beach will be nicer?

Awesome story (posted by Richard). Granpas kickin butt!

And yes, I agree with The Monster as well. Perhaps some linky love would be the more appropriate thing to do.

Anyways, hi everyone!

Here's a quick little reference on basic HTML tags.
bold, italic, and link
Use the XHTML side.

Hint. make your open and closed tags first and put your content in the middle. Oh, and PREVIEW is your friend!


I'm interested in the Ejectia Gazette in whatever capacity I can contribute. This will certainly give me the opportunity to dust off some lesser used skills.

I clicked the email link and replied, but was bounced back with:

We're writing to let you know that the group that you tried to contact
(EjectiaGazette) doesn't exist.

Kari, I for one am *very* impressed with a physics and math degree. I'm also one of those who took an extended hiatus [cough..."husband"]; and have now in my dotage, headed back to the books alongside my fulltime job, so I know just how hard it is.

And just how wonderful it feels to be doing it.

/madm raises her hand to volunteer for whatever she can be used for. Can an International-Relations-degree-seeker be used anywhere?

Dearest madm,

I thank you for your interest, your post, and the recommendation of an individual to write our constitution. I am sure your sentiments are offered in all sincerity, and in the best interests of Ejectia. I wish only to inform you that a committee is already in place to draft our constitution. If your nominee wishes to participate, please have him email me: mpaulesakabasil@msn.com. In the interim, madame, your comments and ideas are most welcome. Please be aware that we have a structure already in place. While the present group has no official mandate from Ejectia to go beyond a simple draft of basic principles, to the more complex task of a constitution, the authority to do so within the established group is at least implicit if not exactly confirmed. I stand for Ejectia, as a Senator, pro tem, and I welcome your further comments and observations.


Mark Paules


To paraphrase Mr. Paules:

"Thanks! We're on it, and we're glad you're here! Throw out any other ideas you have, 'cause we're listening!"

- MuscleDaddy

I can't wait for the launch of ejectia. Unfortunately, my experience is limited to a few years as a history major at university, so I have nothing to contribute. But hey, here's to waiting for the day when I can finally put forth something meaningful to this project...

"And you'd better fear and respect The Monster, because I sure as hell do."

Posted by: Bill Whittle

Me Beastie. Me fear no Monster.

Respect is another matter entirely. Volunteering his skills for the creation of Ejectia commands it and it is freely given.

Hail and well met Monster.

I KNEW this was going to rock!

Bill, for our proposals for the library, are you looking for more practical/"survival" stuff to start? Maybe we should solicit certain input:

"Doc Russia" had a couple of GREAT posts on putting together a REAL emergency medical kit, and Kim duToit has three or four great posts talking about what to put in your "SHTF" kit. We should definitely ask permission to post those.

Serious inquiry - anyone know how to hotwire a MODERN car (I could hotwire my '57 Plymouth Belvedere, but these new cars stump me). That is actually useful knowledge in an emergency/SHTF situation.

I don't think we should censor knowlege (like hotwiring a car) that seems shady in its nature, since we're hoping to self-select for good "Remnant" types, and knowing, for example, how to pick a lock might well save someone's life in a hairy situation.

Assuming you can teach that kinda stuff online.

Dear Muscles,

As soon as I have the authority, I will award you a degree in vernacular English. Pith is good. Also, congrats on your impending second born. We know what causes this now. Science has it figured out.

Mark..er, excuse me...

Dear Senator Paules;

That was without a doubt the loveliest rejection letter I've ever read. I'm suddenly feeling much more secure in my new government's hands.

We have a senator? :)

@Monster: re: the article nicked from the news website -

1. If they do not want it copied, disable right-click.
2. This is the new media, it was attributed, and any news organization worth anything will continue to update the relevant post as long as it's news. And afterwards, for the sake of completeness.
3. My respect for observing the "propriety" of big media ended with Rathergate. I will always link a fellow blogger, the MSM is on their own. They need to earn back their credibility.

Just tellin' it like it is, thank you for your time.


Because you were a history major, you already do have something to contribute. An interest in history for history's sake is something that isn't being encouraged enough, especially by those who would rather we forget history's greatest failures.

We rely on historians to tell us about past success, that we emulate them, or mistakes, that we may avoid repeating them. Even if they don't realize that's what they're doing at the time.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got to clean the cheeze-whiz out of the "plumber's crack" on the Dougman statue. Can't you guys at least wait until the city's built to start playing practical jokes?

Dave, I'm going to second suboptimal's point that you've undoubtedly got something to contribute as a History Major.

Steven Peden - I doubt it will be hard to get permission on those posts. Might even be able to get them to rewrite them specifically for that.

suboptimal - It wasn't me, I swear. *Walks away whistling nonchalantly, while trying to hide can of cheese-whiz behind his back*...

Thanks for the update!

Sounds like a lot is going on in the background.

Just discovered Bill yesterday and was amazed at the clear thought, and how it resonated in me. I, too, feel alone at times in a crowded room. I read for an hour and bought the book. I am an Airline Captain and willing to contribute in any way I can. I do not see myself as a writer normally, but I am also a history major and will be mulling how I can contribute. Right now I am enjoying soaking all of this in. Bravo......

Sorry, I'm still lurking--but I may come out one of these days . . . Nothing to contribute though.

Since I work in the environmental industry, I would love to work the environment beat for the Ejectia Gazette. Let me know when and how I can help.

Bias disclosure: I am a GW/GHG denier, and really dislike most environmental activists/organizations. I may not be objective, but I will be fair.


WooHoo! Another degree!

That's me, though - full of pith & vinegar!

Science? I repeat: I did not have s... no wait, that's not right...

- MuscleDaddy


Taking your points one at a time:

1. Copying for personal use or 'fair use' under the copyright law would suffer if they employed techincal means to discourage copying the whole article.

2. It wasn't a proper attribution. It said 'Globe', not 'Boston Globe'. Even with a proper attribution, reprinting an entire article is probably the sort of thing that could get Bill a nastygram from the New York Times Company, and might give them a chance to show this as an example of how the 'sphere doesn't follow the rules. Furthermore, the industry Bill works in looks very unkindly upon 'intellectual property' violations, and is dominated by Pink People.

3. I'm no fan of the Legacy Media either. I do not respect them; I respect the rule lf law, and journalistic ethics that they have long abandoned. I live by those rules because I respect myself and Bill, and I ask others to do so here because they respect what we're doing here.

Hi. I mostly lurk, but I have posted an occasional comment or two - some of them e-mailed directly to Bill during the period when the comments were disabled.

A little about me: Since I was a kid, I felt a burning need to learn how to do things by hand that, even in the '60s, were done by machine. For instance, I eschewed mixers in favor of learning to mix various batters by hand, ditto kneading bread. My reason? What if SHTF and there was no electricity? (Thank you, Stephen, for that wonderful abbreviation!) I suppose I might be called a low-level survivalist.

As for what to contribute - Well, I raise sheep and have some experience in the fiber arts. While it's definitely hard to teach such hands-on skills online without video - which I certainly don't have the expertise to deal with - I can provide some articles about fiber properties and maybe some references. I regard it as the kind of information that would be invaluable a SHTF situation. Anybody interested?


That's exactly some of the stuff we'll be looking for - the point here is less about information and more about expertise, ability & wisdom - all of which are more valuable in a SHTF situation.

"Knowledge without wisdom is as an axe without an edge - better suited to bruise than to cut with precision."

Don't really recall where that one came from, but it's in my constantly-growing book-o'-quotes & phrases.

- MuscleDaddy

To all those who fear they have no direct or usable contributions to make -- even if you've done nothing since high school but vegetate, listen and think -- as registered citizens of Ejectia, your VOTES, on any issue ever discussed in any of the established fora (including later evolutions of the Constitution itself) will be pivotal, helping to establish the official Ejectian concensus on everything from good manners and pet care, to immigration law and the importance of returning to space. You name it. If someone finds it relevant, it will be discussed and debated, and if it's debated, it will be open to voting at the end of the debate. And that voting will play a vital role in the construction of this vicarious society.

Even if you're not in on the initial earth-moving and plumbing installation, and never "publish" a book or treatise that winds up in the University of Ejectia Library, just getting involved in the discussions and punching the appropriate chads in their wake will be a vital contribution.

So fear not! You'll have a voice in this, whether you think it worthy or not. And that's the cool thing about all this -- whether you speak or listen, read or write, just look at it or really get in there and live it, we're all better off for it in the end.

Man, I gotta' find some place to hang my shiny new senator badge.


Hmm, not sure what I'd have to contribute either, from a pre-meditated point of view. I'm your archetypal jack-of-all-trades. I'll never be as useful as a master/expert on any given topic, but I have a reasonable amount of knowledge about a lot of things. Hmm, I shall ponder... Maybe "Living with Dyslexia" lol


I'm also looking forward to the site and contributing what I can. Take it from someone who can watch a program on how tracker organs are made, what cavemen wore for underwear, or detailed descriptions of fighter plane dogfights with equal fascination that I'll be exploring every cobwebbed corner of Ejectia. Interesting idea for your outline, one thought that stuck me though was the possibility of those who would want to destroy our little utopia gleaning information about commercial flights and using it to their advantage. Trying to decide if I'm being realistic, paranoid, a party pooper, or all three. FWIW, Ray

I simply wish to add my own welcome to all the new posters, especially any "lurkers" who are "considering" coming out from the shadows.

And on this June 6, 2007, to say one more time:

To ALL of those who have served, are serving, or will serve;

And in honorable memory of all of those who were there, and especially those who gave their full measure, on this date in 1944;

Thank You, Sirs and Madames.

I am seeing the makings of the world's largest think tank. I can also see a day when we attract some high level "ideas people" in government and industry for the purpose of finding intelligent opinion and new technology. At this point, it seems only the remnant has been aware of this project and or we are the only ones who believe in it.
I am still worried about the degenerates finding us and writing their graffiti all over the walls. I hope we can find a reasonable solution to contain the rot that seems inevitable in any society. Not to mention the terrorists who hate anything decent.
And yes, Remember June 6, 1944 and those who stepped up. We are forever in your debt.

Good debate between The Monster and Stephen. I look forward to seeing more such debates, perhaps on pre-agreed-upon topics and times, in the Arena.

I almost forgot,

Mr. Johnson, you are definitely not alone. This month's issue of Discover magazine features an article on politically correct global warming. Fellow deniers stand tall. The science has finally caught up to the politics.

Readers should be aware that Bill has appointed senators, pro tem, who are very busy behind the scenes building the new, virtual city-state. As a group we are rather not into titles. We are more a working group than anything else. My preference is for the good people of this place to address me simply as Mark. Or Mark P. will do. Elections will be held sometime down the road. Your input as always is deeply appreciated. Each of us who post on these threads is a peer. Informal address is completely appropriate.

Elydo - I know more than one person who could have benefitted from "Living with Dyslexia" when they were growing up. I think that would be totally helpful.

My wife found this site and told me to read the intro. It sounds rather intriguing (sp). I am almost 50 and have spent my time plinking around with computers of all sizes. Was a COBOL programmer for a number of years. Have worked on Mainframes, Mid-range, and PC's in many capacities. Programmer, Analyst, Project Manager, advisor, Disaster Recover advisor ...the list goes on. I am also interested in history, am a civil war buff, do live shoots with replica rifled muskets and breech loaders, make my own ammo, camp outdoors a little. I also love to drive, drove limo for a while, met some "famous" people. Was in the military for a short career - young and stupid comes to mind for the exit process (but if not for that - I would never have met my beautiful wife). I also an a crack shot with a 22 rifle. Very conservative in my views - the Repubs are too far left for me.

Have a great day - let me know what I can do for the cause.


Greetings Charles,

I think you're right about what you're seeing here - I know I have to occasionally shake myself as I look around and the potential enormity of the whole thing creeps up on me.


- MuscleDaddy

Welcome aboard. Perhaps you might want to share with us your knowledge of civil war weapons and the experience of shooting each? Just a thought.
I know I'd like to learn about it, if you are so inclined, when submissions are opened.

I first heard of Bill Whittle on about the first of June. I linked to here from LGF. Since I am somewhat skeptical from 61 years of experience, I have observed this idea of EJECTIA since that date. Not a long time at all.

I am one of those who has seen the decay of society and felt the overwhelming desire to do something about it. I have also felt despair at the fact that there seemed to be no way to do so. Then comes the idea of EJECTIA. Deep inside came the voice that said, "Yes! Maybe this is it." I made my first post on June 5 under the name of Gideon. Today I have changed it to Gideon300. I will stay with that.

I do soooo hope that this endeavor will be successful. I am watching with great anticipation. I also hope that tolerance of the baser troll elements will be practically non-existent. I hope that a system of controls can be implemented early on to ban abusive commenters rapidly and with extreme prejudice. maybe some comments could fall under a misdemeanor category, while others would fall under a felony category. All society is based under rules of law. In my view, EJECTIA must have it's own system or face failure.

Personally, I have quite a few things that I can contribute, as I have lived in several wilderness areas. I also have 43 years of experience as a machinist and tool and die maker. I understand physics, firearms, prototype machinery, auto mechanics, gold exploration and mining, explosives, and survival skills. I am a Viet Nam era veteran. I am a Bible scholar of 33 years. I've seen a lot in my lifetime.

Are any of these things helpful? If so, please let me know.

Hats off to the foundation layers of Ejectia! Upon your expertise, hard work and diligence we the populace will be placed. I look forward to putting my small stamp in this haven of experts.

The individual with the talent is not always the best person to evaluate the quality and importance of their abilities, so I want to encourage all to put a mark on this community and let the citizens of Ejectia! apply value to your contribution!


Good Morning.
I can't describe how beautiful
this June,06 morning is.
Perfect is as close as I can come.
To all who have served
and to those who are serving Thank You.

"So what we're aiming for is something like Wikipedia, only with accountability and expertise? I like this."

Me too. I have been saying Caveat utilis Wiki for some time now.

I have a Ph.D. in astronomy, and broad interest in the sciences. Is there a place for me?


I soooo look forward to picking your brain (blacksmith, knifemaker, fabricator, recently done some coin-striking...did you say die-maker? WooHoo!)!!

"I have a Ph.D. in astronomy, and broad interest in the sciences. Is there a place for me?"

With a motto like "Let Us Fly to the Stars on a Thunderous Chair"? - What do YOU think?


- MuscleDaddy


I am a longtime lurker, a Canadian who lived in SoCal for some time after 9/11 and has friends in both Canadian and US militaries, but who grew up Mennonite and pacifist. So I'm all over the map in many ways. My expertise is fairly abstract - bioinformatics and software engineering - but I may draw on the community and contribute my experiences as I build my log home in the next 2 years (land is bought, wife is motivated, so it's definitely 'when', not 'if').

I'm enjoying watching people realize the strength of community and the importance of protecting each other. I am interested in how narrowly American Ejectia will become, or if it will be able to grow in soil with different ingredients.

Cheers from Canada,

Goo'day all, It is when we as humans put ourselves outside our comfort zones that we really get a chance to grow,No? I have a slight case of lurkitis, but am controlling it with an old herbal remedy, not to worry. I would be honored and terrified to help write the Constitution if there is an opening. Will a Bill of Rights be instilled in it so we have one distinct document, kiss-ed and planted deep in the rich earthy loam of love?
Welcome to all of us on the good ship ejectia. May long she sail, her proud white sweep giving form and purpose to the winds of life.


Great to see that big brain up to its old tricks. I look forward to the success of this project and predict it will lead to things great in nature. As for myself, I know you will fully endorse me as village idiot. Now just what perks come with such a title I can't wait to hear. Cheers, my friend. Eric

Kent - I'm planning on getting my Masters in physics and then, hopefully, my Doctorate in Astrophysics, so I think you have a lot to contribute that I would be interested in.

Mr. Johnson - can I contact you through your website for some info regarding GW? I have some questions regarding what is being said in the media, etc. re: global warming.

Any ideas on a list of things to do for those of us who hungrily wait to do something? I also think it should be in another post - I get kinda confused sometimes as to what I've read or what I've not read when scrolling through comments. Comments lack the organization to be efficient at giving out news.

As for my contribution... been thinking about that.

I could teach someone calculus (probably) or write up a simple document on calculus basics.

I could write book reviews on books that I have previously read - my personal library is huge - or take suggested books and read them then write a review.

Hmmm... I could probably tutor basic Physics (calc-based Physics) or again write up a tutorial of sorts. Might even be a good idea for me to learn better.

How about have a science section of the library with papers and treatises on past, present and future ideas and theories? If so, I would love to organize it. I know basic HTML and I could probably whip up a skeleton to fill out...

WOO HOO - good to hear whats going on in the works! I am looking forward to doing what little I can. Suboptimal just made my heart leap for joy as history is definitely a passion of mine, and my first thought when I read the first hints of what Bill and Co. are plotting was that I would surely love to write something about the bits of history that I have loved...my husband and I have just recently become involved in historical reenactments for Texas history (ie Battle of Goliad, Battle of San Jacinto) and am always eager for a chance to share history.

Bill, (or someone who might know) - I was wondering if, on the proposals that you will be opening the doors for soon - if that could extend into next week? I have an idea already and will be working on one, but I am a relentless editor, and sometimes it takes me a few days to flesh an idea out.

A curtsey to everyone, and give you joy!


Welcome - and a fine question you pose...

I think the best answer is that, initially, our focus is to secure a place of expertise, wisdom and critical thinking for the purpose of EITHER stemming the tide of drain-circling that our American society/culture seems to be heading toward OR providing an opportunity for a better level of preparedness on the part of the Remnant, should it actually come to that.

While we currently see this as a prodominantly American issue (for our purposes here) that must needs be dealt with through (in part) a reawakening/reinforcing of those values/skills once so prevalent in the US, I feel comfortable saying that international inclusion of those who find resonance in those values will always be welcome.

- MuscleDaddy

I'll email this to the library committee as well, but here's a quick proposal.

I intend to document making a peanut butter and strawberry jelly sandwich on whole wheat bread, an 2 oatmeal cookies and a glass of whole milk from scratch.

The goal is to teach a small child about the source of the common things around her. Thus, we will begin by planting wheat, oats, strawberries, peanuts and sugar cane. Each will be harvested and processed into a usable form by me and the small child. We WILL be using power tools for some operations (like a food processor) and we will purchase more raw materials than we have grown - like extra unmilled wheat grains - because of the small amount of land we have available. We will include a visit to a local dairy to milk a cow and get cream to churn into butter. Including growing time, I expect the project to take 4-6 months.

This document will be a mixture of text and video. Final running time will be 15-30 minutes. I have little skill or expertise, and will be learning video editing as we go.

Richard - that is excellent.

One of the largest deficiencies of understanding among our young people is a lack of understanding of the WORTH & VALUE of things (as opposed to the simple monetary cost) - and that comes from being so far removed from an understanding of the EFFORT that goes into them.

Some real Web of Trust stuff...

- MuscleDaddy

Absolutely amazing. A lot must be going on behind those curtains. Can't wait to see what comes of this!

I was a Boy Scout until I was 18 - didn't quite make Eagle, but I got to Life - although I'm not quite the outdoors type (I do miss the trips now, though). Although I'm in one of those mid-college siestas, I do have some skill with a keyboard, so if there's any writing/editing that needs done I'd be happy to help. Unfortunately, given my age and my experiences, I think I'm more suited to learn than to teach at this stage, but if I can help out, I'm hendershotjc-at-comcast.net.

Richard, if I wore a hat, I'd take it off to you in salute.

I'm reminded of I, Pencil by Leonard Read, in which the most remarkable statement is made:

Simple? Yet, not a single person on the face of this earth knows how to make me. This sounds fantastic, doesn't it? Especially when it is realized that there are about one and one-half billion of my kind produced in the U.S.A. each year.

Eric Laing,
The position of Village Idiot has been filled. But the mindless capering really is getting hard on the knees. I think I'll just stick with the maniacal cackling.

Kari Wolfe,
These are just our temporary digs. Think of it as milling around in a hotel lobby waiting for the banquet room to open.

Sharon Ferguson,
Can't! Hardly! Wait!

Eighth Shadow,

Hey Shadow,

Welcome - learn then teach!

- MuscleDaddy

Could we have numbers for posts. Currently we have date and time, but it would make it much easier for a dinosaur like myself if each post were numbered.

Hi, all. I'm a lurker type. Looking forward to Ejectia. I have been so very frustrated with the (lack of) direction this great country is taking and it is good to find like-minded folk.

I've a M.S. in Forestry. I've done many years of work in various laboratories and have homeschooled my child for a few years. Hope to put all that education to good use.

MuscleDaddy, My brain is open for the picking just as soon as EJECTIA takes form, and there are specific areas for specific types of comments. That will make duplicate posts unneccessary. I'm quite the dinosaur and I type slowly.

Wow, my head is swimming with all the possibilities here. Thank you to all who are putting so much effort into making a place for us all to grow and serve.
I'm not sure what I could help with other than common sense. I'm a mother of 5 straight A students and would love to have a teen, preteen, and child area maybe. You all are roll models that I would love for my children to see and emulate. I would much rather have them research homework on a site such as ejectia! rather than many of the alternatives.
I'm looking forward to an eventual list of what needs done to help -- til then I'll stay out of the way. Godspeed!


That's what I'm looking forward to! Right now it looks like those of us who are the makers/builders will have a district of the city to ourselves...

- MuscleDaddy

P.S. - I'll ask about numbered posts here, but I think that on this site we've got what we've got.

Any suggestions on how an old guy can keep up with that?

Consider a more permanent handle.
MommaCinco perhaps?

Thanks, great idea! I think I'll go for it.

Gideon300, we're working on something even better; the nested approach where replies to a comment are shown under and to the right of the 'parent':

Comment 1
  Reply 1.1 to comment 1
    Reply 1.1.1 to comment 1.1
    Reply 1.1.2 to comment 1.1
  Reply 1.2 to comment 1
Comment 2
  Reply 2.1 to comment 2

We want you to have the option of viewing in chronological order as well. I'll talk to the Architecture guys about a clear comment number though. It really does help.


Mother of FIVE?!? All with straight A's?!? You have loads of wisdom and advice! Looking forward to connecting.

Thoroughly enthralled by your essays and the idea of Ejectica. Made your essays required reading in my household.

I have 24+ years experience in IT (SQL Server, Oracle, VB6, C++, ASP, etc.). Will help however I am able.

Thanks Monster, good to know that. We dinosaurs need all the help we can get.

The Monster,
A thousand apologies for not entering "The" before "Monster" on my last post. No disrespect intended. Please allow me to live.

Swampy! Nice to see you over here. I'm sure we'll find a way to put your mad skillz to work.

I guess I could really offer advice on "creative discipline and incentives". There's a lot of luck in there too though.

It's very interesting what amazes one person is just every day life to another. It just reinforces the fact that together we could be an incredible force on our nation. We all are so different but have that one goal.

Gideon, we're friends here. I'm only "The Monster" because on some sites "Monster" was already taken. Call me whatever you want, just so you call me in time for dinner. (Part of how I got the nick in the first place is being 6'6", nearly 300#, so I'm not joking about dinner. Monster HUNGRY!!!)

Hey Monster,
You just brought to my mind some other skills that I can share. I'm a good cook. My specialties are sourdough cooking and smoke cooking. Including, but not limited to,
pulled pork, smoked beef brisket, smoked ham, smoked turkey, and smoked salmon. Sourdoughh breads, bisquits, sourdough cakes, and sourdough pancakes.


I'm liking you more & more!

- MuscleDaddy

Kari Wolfe - If you would like to help in the Library organization, please shoot me an Email: eukonidor-at-gmail-dot-com

Looking forward to some things in the science section, myself.

Gideon300 - You're really making me hungry here.

mamacinco - congratulations on your educational success. Wow.

Oops, MommaCinco, I usually pay more attention to spelling and capitalization than that.

Kari Wolfe-
You may contact me in any way that is convenient for you. While I have strong opinions regarding GW, I do not profess to be an expert. I have worked primarily in hazardous waste and Superfund cleanup. I will answer your questions to the best of my abilities. I can give you my impressions and observations regarding the debate and the participants. I am an interested observer not a climate researcher nor activist. Feel free to contact me by email or in the comment section.

Block- Bioinformatics? May I be so nosy as to ask what exactly you're doing? I used to work on something like that...

Kari: I have a confession to make: I have very little natural mathematical ability. Naturally, this made going the science route in college a bit challenging, shall we say. What saved my hide was online walkthroughs of sections of mathematical concepts and processes. So if you wonder if this could be useful, the answer is a HELL-YEAH.

Gideon: Oh-ho? Sourdough? We've been trying to get and keep a starter going, but the sad fact is we have NO IDEA. I'm pretty sure the one we got from a friend is dead now, in fact. And we're planning on getting a smoker next major holiday...

Sourdough starter? Easy! Sourdough cooking? Also easy. It's all about learning a few simple tricks. Just wait till Ejectia gets rolling.

Gideon- I am hungry for a mid afternoon snack. Can you put together a sampler plate to go?

Mr. Johnson -
Reference possible sampler plate from Gideon - I know you spoke first but you may have to wait in line - I suspect the "Chase" loungers (did I just make a joke?) will chime in here any moment and lay claim to "but we were here first" or possibly just promise you unlimited libations in order to be first in line.
Good luck.

Unlimited libations or first in line for a sampler plate? Hmm..a dilemma. Either way, I think I win.

I think we can find room in The Chase Lounge for Gideon's smokers next to my pizza ovens. Bread oven's on backorder but should be here in time for Grand Opening.

All this talk of starters has reminded me of the most mouthwatering dessert I have ever had. Anyone have the starter for Friendship Cake?

D4 no ly -
Friendship Cake - new one to me. Splain please?

It's been probably 15 years since I've made one but it's like sourdough; you have to have the starter, like a cup of juice.
In a gallon jar you add peaches, marichino (sp?) cherries... and the other stuff I have forgotten. It basically sits on your kitchen counter and ferments for two weeks. Then you make the cakes. One batch makes two cakes if I remember right.
Best! Dessert! Ever!

Forgot the most important part. It's called friendship cake because you have to get the starter from a friend.

D4: There was a similar concept going around my church group fifteen to twenty years ago--a type of sourdough coffee cake made from a starter, and usually called "Herman." Very tasty.

OH! Never heard the fermented fruit part in conjunction with a cake. However, the fruit part. That's a good one. We never had a "starter" - we just started. One jar, fruits, sugar and Mother Nature. We used peaches and plums and cherries and who knows what, throw in some sugar, cover and yes, let it sit a couple of weeks and it will ferment and it is wonderful over ice cream or cake. Will ask my aged Auntie how our Grandmother made it - now she was the b e s t cook!

andrea - regarding making a joke in referring to Chase Loungers: Since the name itself is a joke, how can you not?

I'm a Chase Lounger,
I'm a Chase Lounger,
Seeing Dougman's butt,
My, my, my (my eyes!!!)

Oh, I'm going to burn for that one!!

I swear, reading some of these comments I half expect the next one to come up:

"Well, my day job is Cancer Research, but I do on-call brain surgery on weekends. When I really want to get away from it all, I fly my hand-built ultralight up north to my fields where I'm developing a strain of drought-resistant wheat and working on converting the leftover plant matter to biodeisel.

But the only thing my grandkids say this grandma is any good at is telling bedtime stories. Hope I can be useful."

Now, while I couldn't teach making PBJ's anything like Richard Riley, I've been thinking of the phrase, "explain it to me like I'm five" a lot lately. Take the knowledge/expertise distinction in use around here. Doing rocket science takes knowledge and skill. Explaining rocket science to me like I'm five, so I get it? That takes expertise.

And if nothing else, everyone here has the capacity to play the role of Expert in Offering Feedback on the whole "explain it to me like I'm five" projects anyone else has going. Yeay!

Oh, and btw, I've asked if voluntary cash contributions would be welcome at this point. Heck, if nothing else something to spring for a couple pizzas for those doing the heavly lifting behind the scenes (or maybe some of this single malt of which you speak). Any word on that?

My god. I don't even have a sweet tooth- I eat dessert like once a month if that- and that sounds AMAZING.

Mr. Johnson, thank you. I'll get a hold of you through your blog.

LabRat, (laughs) I don't feel that I have that much "natural mathematical ability" - I just work my butt off and ask questions of people who know what they're talking about :) But thanks :) Pick a mathematical (or physical) topic and I'll study it for a while and write up a tutorial for you :)

And I definitely want that sourdough starter! I've been picking up recipes online and teaching myself to cook some. :)


Yeasts are everywhere in nature. The following is for a simple sourdough starter. Remember, always use non-metalic containers with non-metallic lids. Each starter will develope it's own personality according to the brand of flour you use. If you change flour the starter will change also.

Take 3-4 potatoes. Wash lightly to remove any dirt. Cut them up into small pieces leaving the skins on. Place them in lukewarm water and soak for a few hours. If you want, you can add 1/8 cup pinto beans and 1/8 cup natural rice. This will add different natural yeasts. Do not heat and do not refrigerate. Use enough soaking water to have 4-6 cups of water after soaking. Pour off water and discard the potatoes.

I use a gallon jar with a plastic lid. Pour 4-6 cups of the potatoe water into your container. Add 2 tablespoons sugar. Stir to disolve sugar. Pour 1/2 cup of flour into the water and stir with plastic or wooden utensil. Keep adding flour in 1/2 cup increments until the mixture becomes slightly thicker than pancake batter. Don't worry if there are a few lumps in the mixture. The fermentation will take care of that. Put your lid on, but make sure the fermenting mixture can vent. If you don't let it vent, you will have a very messy explosion. Set aside at room temperature and after a few hours it will start bubbling. Let the fermentation finish before use. This can be determined by the fact that it is no longer foaming and bubbling. Feel free to stir the fermenting mixture every few hours if you want to. This method is completely natural, and your first starter will take longer to work than subsequent feedings will take.

For a cheat, you can add a package of dry activated yeast to 1/4 cup warm water. Stir to dissolve and let it set for 5 minutes. Then add this to your new starter. This will make your new starter work much faster. After 4 or 5 subsequent feedings, this manufactured yeast will be gone and your starter will be completely natural. If you decide to do the yeast trick, you should only start with 4 cups of the potatoe water.

GHS - I was just wondering when I'd see a post from you, and here you were! How goes it, big fella?

The Monster - Hmm, I always thought that's what we called politicians' egos. But we large sized folk need good names as well. Of course, folks have generally called me Tiny or some such.

As for my expertise, I have a career's worth of military experience. Mostly combat arms, but that also includes parachuting, rappelling, knots and rigging, building A-frames and gin poles, general engineering, demolitions, nuke weapons, some construction management, field expedients of all types and natures, how to plan and conduct cross country movement on foot or vehicle mounted, basic first aid that will keep someone going until trained help arrives and things of that nature. Since coming back to Civvie Street, I've learned Systems Analysis, some Database Analysis (not Administration), home plumbing and electrical wiring, electronics (very basic), medical transcription, Technical Writing for manufacturing, software, or pharmaceutical companies. (I'm curious, and enjoy figuring out how things work together, so I always try to feed the gray elephant between my ears, so kind of a broad experience base.)

And most definitely on this day of days, I've two things to say:

Thanks to all who have served (which definitely includes family members), still serve, and who plan to serve!

And to Absent Comrades. They are no longer physically alive, but they live forever in our hearts.

Sapper Mike

Agreed. To all who have served and are currently serving - thank you from the bottom of my heart for everything you have done and are doing for this country.

Rickbert - that's a great idea, explaining something like Rocketry at a child level! Unless someone else wants to grab it, I might just use that for my own first proposal!

I was getting ready to ask for help with ideas, because I can't think of any on my own...

And for superlative preparedness information like Doc Russia's and from Kim, don't forget C. Blake Powers's posts from his site (http://laughingwolf.net/ee.php) as well as what he posts on Blackfive (http://www.blackfive.net/main)

"Unless someone else wants to grab it" - WayneB

Be my guest. So much of the stuff I find Googling for reference tends to assume I'm ready to dive in at the deep in, when I'm just trying to get my toes wet, and maybe wade around with those little floaty things on.

And in my experience it really does take an expert to boil big ideas down to 5 yr old level and still keep the essence intact and meaningful.

You just earned the pointy hat. In good conscience I can't wear it now. You have nailed the essence of Ejectia.
I'll take mine with everything.
More pizza to come.

Hello, welcome to all, you belong here.

Paul A., thank you for posting a remembrance of this day. We all need to never forget.

MommaCinco, you are a treasure trove, I am sure of it. As with daddyquatro, you will be making deep contributions, effortlessly (or so it will seem to you).

Long past my bedtime, so I, again, must leave an abbreviated note. Until again soon.

daddyquatro - Dude, I told you I'd be happy with 3rd assistant Lackey. Especially if I get to wear shiny buttons. Besides, you make that hat look good.

So much to reply to here, like I remember that fermented fruit thing as something my dad tried a few times, ages ago. Where else but Ejectia? Maybe someday I'll let loose with Gumdrop Cake (don't think holiday fruit cake so much as applesauce cake with gumdrops).

And speaking of memory. Maybe some point down the road, during an Ejectia Upgrade, we could add a This Day in History, where folks could help build a calendar of Meaningful Dates, things worth remembering, things worth keeping alive in our thoughts. June 6, 1944 matters not just because of what it cost, but because it reminds us that we, as a nation, once found that price worth paying.


My only real experience so far is having been processed through the public school system, not making it in college, and about two months of cleaning houses.

But anyway, here's what I think are two major knowledge problems afflicting people these days, myself included.

1. Unrealistic expectations of everyday services. The way TV shows handle hospitals, the police, and other services, a lot of people end up having unrealistic expectations and demanding things that aren't quite possible. This only leads to people getting needlessly angry. A lot of good would be done by just explaining how these services really work -- where all the work goes, who tends to get blamed for things vs. what actually happens, their actual typical technical capabilities, stuff like that.

2. Lack of general skills. Sure, not everyone is useless. But it seems to me that middle and high school is more interested in "preparing" students for college than in preparing them to be productive people, and one of the reasons everyone seems to need a degree is so they can get a job that enables them to pay people to do all the things they could have learned to do if they weren't convinced they didn't have the time. By "general skills" I mean everything in the top 10 or so list for do-it-yourself skills, plus common skills needed for jobs that don't require a degree but are a step up from the usual minimum-wage fare.

I can't wait for the launch of ejectia.

That's what she said.

So Bill's MacArthur and we're the 10,000 volunteers? Brilliant. And exciting. Let's reverse the whole "I can only do 1/4 of the things my father could" thing, quick. Since my ratio is even less favorable, I'm extra enthusiastic to get started.

I'm a mechanical engineer, and I've spent 20 years fixing mining & processing equipment (or leading teams of people doing it) - so I know a bit about that, plus about moving house and living in small and remote towns. I've a bit of an abiding interest in the concepts and practice of operational vs strategic leadership (eg the differences between Patton and Marshall). And I'm an orthodox Roman Catholic, who wishes he could say he was just a Catholic, but knows in the current world the first 2 words are necessary. Oh, and obscure 80's guitar bands.

Best of luck, Bill & others - let me know if I can help.

Sorry, the "orthodox Roman Catholic" reference was not an attempt to introduce any sectarianism - just an oblique way of saying that some of the more libertarian impulses that will inevitably be part of this venture will likely lose me. Plus, it's a big part of who I am, so any description is incomplete without it!


I *think* that you'll be fine with the strong libertarian streak 'round here. They basically want to be left alone. If you can resist lecturing them on their wicked ways and their destination in the afterlife, I'm sure they'll be happy to talk Dead Kennedys with you.

There's a smaller streak of the liberTINE, though, that you might want to keep a respectful distance from. Virtual drunken lusty naked people, typing about doing all kinds of perverse things.

Without actually doing most of them, of course.

Morning All,

Just caught up. WOW!

And now... on the lighter side:

******* Announcement ********* - found on floor at The Chase Lounge
New chapter of Ejectia Lurkers Anonymous will be meeting in The Chase Lounge out on the patio under the stars nightly.

Regrettably - or NOT - our chapter ELA, is rather small. You see, in just our first few weeks we have had lots of new members; but few, if any, long standing ones. Sure, ELA members drop by our meeting at TCL all the time to greet and encourage new first timers but seldom do they need to sit through a second meeting. Our twelve step program is both painless and extremely effective. Works every time; without fail.

ELA 12 Steps:
1. Open brain
2. Open E!3, and\or Ejectia
3. Open word processor, notebook, or have pen and paper handy
4. Read E!3 essays, Ejectia content and\or comments
5. Think, Wonder, What if?, Why not? ; repeat as necessary. This being the most important step; some additional inspiration may be provided in a later post for those suffering the effect of long term abuse of lurking.
6. Remove lid of self doubt from brain. Throw Away! - style points for distance -
7. Pour contents of brain on onto keyboard or paper. Pour may not be the right word here; more like dump, spew, empty or Ah, the right term leaps out ? EJECT contents of brain onto keyboard or paper.
8. Cut and paste into Comments - If required, I can't spell so I need a spellchecker.
9. Preview and re-read carefully.
10. Correct all the major flaws and issues with the way text from your word processor gets screwed up that would cause someone to miss the point.
11. Press post. Read your own post - we all do it  -
12. Lean back in you Chase lounge chair and grin.
13. Go forth and lurk no more!
******* Announcement*********

Wait... that is 13 steps... out of respect for Bill.

I need some testimonials. "I just got of lurking a few weeks ago; that lurking is bad stuff."


Hmmm, Looks like I forgot steps 9 and 10. Dougmam Lives!

Rickbert: dang, son, you nailed it dead-on. That to me is exactly what the Library's archives -- and pretty much ALL of Ejectia's self-help contributions, in whatever form they take -- should be about: "tell it to me like I'm five." Make it informative, fun, and funDAMENTAL, and you've got something useful. Excellent.

SAPPER MIKE! Good to hear from your fingers again! Believe me, I've been here the whole time -- I just don't usually say much in happy, non-combative comment streams like this one. Been busy BEHIND the scenes though. Looking forward to seeing you there when the fur starts flying again.

I saw an ad for that series "The 4400" this morning, and it too returned my attention to this site and what it's trying to accomplish here.

I keep seeing shows like "4400" and "Heroes" (which I like) and whatnot, and at first get encouraged by their overall "saving the world," "Hope of Humanity" kind of themes. It's bigger, it's broader, it's NOBLER than the usual "save the damsel in distress and get her purse back" kinds of stories, even if these shows do rely way too much on magical/otherworldly/super-powers to achieve their "higher goals." But the underlying trend that's becoming more and more apparent to me these days, is the one of "just when the world needs to be saved, some kind(s) of hero(es) appear(s), and through desperate self-sacrifice, pull the rest of us cannon fodder back from the brink." And THAT message, to me, is of no help at all. I understand that, from a purely entertainment standpoint, this "message" is just a standard plot device, following all the basic formulae involving antagonists, protagonists, and overwhelming challenges, blah, blah, blah, and to that end, I can't really fault them. But what does bother me, now more than ever, is the steadily building idea that is being constantly broadcast out into our society that, in these times of trial and tribulation, if we just keep our eyes to the skies, some kind of "savior(s)" will come -- anybody BUT US.

And that's what Ejectia's all about, to me... not breeding or hoarding the next generation of heroes and saviors of the world, but of simply teaching -- REMINDING people of their own -- SELF-RELIANCE. "The Remnant" is not charged with "saving the world" (although that doesn't mean they couldn't), but rather with "keeping the flame alive"... and themselves as well, for that matter.

And man, that's a message I draw much more heart from than "waiting for someone else to save me."


This just in...Dear Douglas,
Here is your horoscope
for Sunday, June 3:

What's today? The Seventh?
The third was my birthday and i get this on the 7th. I kid you not! Four freak'n days later. Was there a time slip in there somewhere? If i didn't know that this was my own fault i'd sware Quintin Tarrantino had something to do with this.
(By the way,...why is there dried Cheese Wiz in the crack of my arse? It's gonna attract varmits and "Dougie Don't Play Dat Way!"
Could someone take a few Wet Wipes and clean that up.
It's a little uncomfortable to say the least :^)

Anywazzzz,let's hear what mother moonbat has to say;

Think of how much energy you would have if you stopped worrying about what other people thought and focused on what you really believed instead. Wow! You could practically move mountains with that stuff.

Well,..I tried to fill the Mrs. in on what i believed last night and it turned into another 45 minute argument. SOoo... I'm at a loss as to how to proceed with her.
Any ideas from the Remnant?

Somebody? Anybody?

Many years ago, when I was a child, my mother had a jar of fermented fruit in the refrigerator, and she would give a cup of it to friends, with the instructions. She called it "Friendship Cup". It was actually started using canned fruit, in heavy syrup, drained, and put in a jar with an equal volume of sugar, and a small amount of yeast. Set aside for about two weeks, until the bubbling stopped, then refreshed by adding an equal volume of drained calnned fruit and sugar. It could then be kept in the refrigerator for weeks without needing to add anything. Never add fresh fruit, as it will cause mold to grow.

Delicious over ice cream!

I'm have a degree in Electrical Engineering but have been working as a technical writer for 11 years. So, no real journalism skills, but I'm a good copy editor and familiar with and have use of desktop publishing software and producing portable electronic documents. Would be delighted to use any of those skills for the Gazette. And welcome all, this is just amazing!

you and others have commented that you're still in "learning mode" and didn't know how much you could contribute.
Remember that teachers need students. I learned, many, many years ago, that as I started to be expected to pass on my expertise to my staff, I learned more and more about those things on which I was supposed to be an expert. Trying to boil down concepts for people that were just starting to learn a trade was hugely different from interacting with my peers. Sorta goes back to what others have said about explaining to a 5 year old ... makes you look at your "accepted knowledge" in a whole different way.
While some (not here) use knowledge (or pretend knowledge) and unfamiliar terms and fancy graphs to convince people GW exists (in a bad way), real experts without an agenda use simple terms and familiar concepts to educate others.
So, again, being willing to learn something is a huge help to those who MUST teach to continue to learn.

Pete in Midland wrote:
you and others have commented that you're still in "learning mode" and didn't know how much you could contribute.
Remember that teachers need students. I learned, many, many years ago, that as I started to be expected to pass on my expertise to my staff, I learned more and more about those things on which I was supposed to be an expert. Trying to boil down concepts for people that were just starting to learn a trade was hugely different from interacting with my peers. Sorta goes back to what others have said about explaining to a 5 year old ... makes you look at your "accepted knowledge" in a whole different way . . .

Yeah, I know what you mean. Everyone has to pass on a little bit of knowledge at some point, and it really does help you get a better grasp of your own material.

And I'm far from completely useless: I've done a bit of reading on Islam and on history, through some reviews I do for a Doctor Who fan magazine I'm getting quite good at understanding how drama and characters and plot work together (and what works and what doesn't), and at teasing themes out of books and movies and audio plays. Although my comments here don't necessarily call upon it, I have a pretty wicked wit, too. And while I'm hardly the world's most religious person, I've got a grasp on Christian theology. However, in comparison to the immense wealth of practical knowledge displayed here, I know and can do practically nothing.

For me, in addition to desperately wanting the courage to do what's right (as in Richard's example further up the thread with those heroes on the plane) and the wisdom to recognize and act instead of standing on the sidelines, I want the skills and confidence to see me through. Even if I never actually have to, I want to know how to understand and interpret the innards of an electronic device (I've got a Radio Shack lab kit in my room but haven't gotten around to using it yet). I want to be prepared for anything that comes my way and, in the spirit of MacGyver and the Doctor, know what needs to be done and how to do it. The frustration at sometimes feeling like another sheep in the flock, and not knowing whether I have it in me to rise above that, not knowing what I might need to do if that call ever came, is almost too deep to effectively communicate.

I suppose it comes down to the difference between an ordinary life and an extraordinary life. My girlfriend and I were discussing this the other day. There's nothing *wrong* with an ordinary life, and our world wouldn't be possible without plenty of people willing to live that, but we need extraordinary people, too, even if they're just there in the shadows until they're called for. Mind you - and this is a theme that I want to develop somewhat in the sci-fi novels I'm working on - it strikes me that while ordinary people idolize the extraordinary, the reverse is also true. The extraordinary lives an exciting life, but he can never truly settle down and enjoy the fruits of what he protects, for he must always be on guard, always ready to act, always ready to sacrifice. In the stories, my heroes recognize this, but believe that it is a price worth paying, no matter how frustrating it might be on occasion.

Wow. Guess I went on a little long, and some of the issues I raised have nothing to do with building Ejectia. The philosophy and my own occasionally melancholy reflections, yes, but not the technical stuff. Sorry about that . . . guess you can see why I want to be a novelist!

I am really starting to get excited about this. I know my contributions will be unique and limited but wherever I can help I shall. On top of the voiceover thing I'm Canadian by way of lovely St Vincent and the Grenadines, so anything requiring Canadian perspective of either history or politics I can help with.

I'm still a little peaved about the "calnned" in my last post, but I think I can help with the Mrs. "Yes Mam, I believe that I'll do it just as you say" usually works for me, especially if I apologize sincerely.

Rickbert, "This day in History" should not wait for an upgrade.

We should have that from Day One in the Gazette.

I was wandering through the PA State Museum during my lunch break and musing on some of the things I'd said earlier, and it occurred to me that while if I want to learn I have to go and practice some of these skills, I'll have to do a lot of reading. Now, once it gets up and running, it won't be a problem to pop into a place like Ejectia and just read until my brain explodes and my eyes fry in their sockets, but I've always been a fan of books, and I eventually started thinking about heading out to Borders and picking up a few random volumes on basic practical stuff. All this is a long way of suggesting that perhaps we could put together some sort of master list of books which come highly recommended by Ejections - books on sailing, shooting, surviving, electronicking, fighting, etc. Maybe we could even have a separate section for good novels and such (Patrick O'Brian's work would definitely qualify). Knowing how I procrastinate and such, I hesitate to finish this next sentence, but if there's much in the way of interest . . . well, I'd be willing to try and run it, or at least keep track of all the recommendations (I'd suggest that in addition to simply saying "I like XXX" we include a little blurb or mini-review which substantiates the recommendation). Don't know if the idea has been put forth already or what, but if there's any interest, the old E-mail is hendershotjc-at-comcast.net.

I can help with editing content. I'm up for everything from checking for typos to helping organize large amounts of information into a useable form.

I've worked as a technical writer for about five years, including online and printed material. I have a pretty broad general knowledge, so I think I can get up to speed pretty quickly enough to help even with highly technical and specialized topics.

My offer is open for anyone in the community, for any writing project related to Ejectia. Send email to j@jmenning.com if you want to talk (I'll probably miss it in the comments).

I am just an ordinay person like the rest of you.

I have on occasion had to step up my game for the benefit of others. Specifically, I have used my various God given talents to help women escape from the salvery of prostitution. I have also organized a Neighborhood Watch so that the good people that lived there could live without fear. Together we, in union with the local police, cleared out the gangs, cleaned up the graffiti, stopped the prostitution. The neighbors learned to trust the police more, to put more faith in the rule of law.

The success I have had in these endeavors is more due to luck than to any specific education or training that I have had. In short I learned by doing.

I am no warrior, but I passionately detest the slavery of the soul that comes people being forced to prostitute themselves. I have learned that the pimps, padrotes, gang-bangers, drug pushers and those who prey on the weak flee from the light of day when the community is taught how to care for themselves.

My reason for writing today is to see if there could be forums where those of us that have helped others in specific ways could pool our collective knowledge, learn from each other and make it available for others to use.

Friendship bread is good. Teaching others how to win in urban warfare is good as well.

Amen, Reverend. Amen.

You bet there will be places for you to do just that. I'm sure the University of Ejectia will find a place for your contribution in the Library.

Weclcome, Reverend.

The whole purpose of this endeavor is to share collective knowledge and each of us grow from the experience, so that we can better ourselves. We'll definitely be interested in the sort of thing you have been involved in.

jmenning - thank you for the offer. I think we're going to have a place for people to volunteer their editing skills, but I'm not certain how that's going to be organized yet.

Anything but ordinary.


Hey everyone,

Like Bill, I work in the entertainment industry. I've been a jack of all trades in the world of commercial, primetime TV and Feature films. Once I get a better feel of how Ejectia! functions, I'll propose something along the lines of how exactly the great and glorious Oz works behind his curtain in these related, but remarkably separate industries. The process for each is uniqiue yet cliche at the same time and not nearly as glitzy or self-aware as most people would like to think. Like Steve Martin said in "L.A. Story", I'm always waiting for someone to walk up and say, "joke", but then am endlessly impressed and amazed (and a bit alarmed) watching the sway Oz's joke holds over public opionin.


Adam J.

Hey everyone,

Like Bill, I work in the entertainment industry. I've been a jack of all trades in the world of commercial, primetime TV and Feature films. Once I get a better feel of how Ejectia! functions, I'll propose something along the lines of how exactly the great and glorious Oz works behind his curtain in these related, but remarkably separate industries. The process for each is uniqiue yet cliche at the same time and not nearly as glitzy or self-aware as most people would like to think. Like Steve Martin said in "L.A. Story", I'm always waiting for someone to walk up and say, "joke", but then am endlessly impressed and amazed (and a bit alarmed) watching the sway Oz's joke holds over public opionin.


Adam J.

Oops. A double post and a typo as the last word, "opinion".


Adam J,
No worries. Just put the blame on Dougman. That's what he's here for.
I'm looking forward to a peek behind the curtain. Did you say self-aware? I thought that was all the hollyweird types were aware of.

Look! Dangling participle. Dougman strikes again.


A thought on the Remnant.

There have been a couple of comments, here and at LGF, assuming that Ejectia will somehow be an elite group, voluntarily separating from the rest of society along some as yet undefined race/class/education/gender/financial/skill/intelligence line.

I don't believe that's so. Let me tell you about one of the people I know that I'm sure is part of the Remnant.

I'll call him Ron, because that's his name. He's African American, in his early 20's. He lived in the 9th ward in New Orleans, renting a room in a house with a single mother and her 4 kids. He was working 2 jobs, the most he'd ever made was $9/hour.

Ron isn't a genius. He dropped out of high school because he just couldn't understand most of what they were teaching. He's severely learning disabled. He can read enough to get through life, but he will probably never read for pleasure.

But when the power went out he got the biggest pot in the kitchen, put a stove grate over it, smashed up drawers for fuel and barbecued the frozen shrimp that was thawing out.

The next day he gathered up floating debris and built a raft, and improvised a paddle. He roamed the flooded streets picking people up off their roofs and getting them to a churchyard where helicopters were taking them to safety.

At the end of the day he gathered up the family he was living with, and took them to safety. When the 4 year old asked "Mommy, is Spiderman going to save us?" she answered "We don't need Spiderman, honey, we have Ron."

The story is long. He got them all to Houston, got them out of the Astrodome and into housing.

Then something remarkable happened. A sports columnist wrote an article about Ron. He'd met the kids at random, and thought Ron would make a good story.

People read the story and asked if they could make donations to Ron. It grew. A 501c3 charity took on the case so donations would be deductible. For the first time in his life, they asked what he wanted to be, in life.

They collected enough money to support him for a year. He bought a good used car and enrolled in HVAC school. A job was waiting for him when he graduated. He had to take the licensing exam 3 times - and the last time it was read to him aloud. But he passed.

Now he's married and has a baby son. He's making more than $20/hour.

That's the story of Ron. He's not a rocket scientist, he's not a doctor or an engineer or an accountant. He doesn't own a computer, he won't ever be in an online chat. But when the water rose and other people sat on their roofs, he built a raft.

I wouldn't vote for him for Mayor. But when the SHTF, I'd trust him with my kids. He's proven himself.

When Bill says you can't identify the Remnant before the SHTF, he's right. The citizens of Ejectia! AREN'T the Remnant. We're the ones trying to keep things together, so we never have find out who the Remnant is.

OK, I'm delurking. I'll be 55 next month. I was a crewman on a Pershing nuclear missile system many years ago. Grew up in rural Pennsylvania, of PA Dutch ancestry. I know a little about a lot of things, and probably not as much as I believe about any of them. :) I've been around computers since my military days, and personal computers since about 1977. I'm currently a network administrator at a small state university.

I like history and nature, and try to learn as much about the world around me as I can.

I've played "wargames" for a very long time, and designed them for nearly as long. The term "wargame" as I use it doesn't only apply to actual military activities, but to any simulation of a real-world activity. I've done game designs of TV western bar-fights, of macroeconomic and political relations between countries, etc. I've seen similar games dealing with forest-fire fighting, etc.

I can help design such simulations for education and entertainment purposes, and teach their design to others...

A library to me is a dead thing. An open forum on a specific topic is a living thing. New situations arise, new techniques are needed, discussions and debates occur on the merits of the ideas.

A person goes out and tries to utilize the new ideas. The person comes back to the forum with an after action report, of lessons learned. The body of knowledge grows. It becomes a virtual worldwide community banding together to help an individual at a specific location.

Truly putting into reality the message that "YOU ARE NOT ALONE"

I have lived what Bill Wittle wrote here "Honor is a concept widely derided and discarded today. But honor is really nothing more than your personal credit rating. It is a statement of your character, and like credit, honor has leverage. It can move large numbers of people: elevate them, raise their spirits and their expectations of themselves. Honor and Courage and Character are beacons in the darkness; they draw all manner of people toward their light. Most people want to be good, to be brave, to be useful. They just need to be shown the way sometimes. And the only way to create such beacons to light our path is to commit to becoming one yourself."

It is how the neighborhood cleaned itself up. There were more intelligent people than me there, people with more charisma, people with better person skills but because I could not, would not live in fear because I would not, could not trade my soul away for a little peace I stepped forth and organized the others more intelligent than me, more charismatic, those with better people skills. I was willing to pay the price and I did. The pain I suffered was nothing compared to the improvement in the liveability of the neighborhood.

The neighbors "...just need(ed) to be shown the way..."

Richard, that was an incredible story.

Rhetorical question: Why don't stories like that make into the national news? In fact, that sounds like book material to me.

Excellent story.
Just a casual read of the comments here, reveal us to be anything but elitist.
As an added bonus, there are plenty of loud mouth bubble poppers like myself around to keep us from developing those tendencies.

The name Ejectia was chosen for the express purpose of never taking ourselves too seriously.

Damn you dougman! Thanks for the advice daddyquatro. ;p

"Did you say self-aware? I thought that was all the hollyweird types were aware of." -- Perfectly put! Haha.

Adam J.

We will definitely have interactive forums where members can share, learn, grow and build the knowledge base. But everything needs a foundation. An article in the library about how to turn a neighborhood around could serve as the launching point for such a forum.


Richard | June 7, 2007 12:19 PM,

Perhaps through involvement in this project, we might awaken in each of us the "Remnant" that lies dormant within us.

And I believe that there is a "Remnant" in each of us because I have seen it.

The lady, whose soul I regained from the slavery of prostitution, who then went back into the fray to help her sisters still enslaved escape. The nuns at the half-way house opening their doors at all hours of the night to welcome home yet another of the "lost sheep".

Or maybe I don't really understand the concept of what the "Remnant" is.

Richard -

Thanks for that story.

There are people like Ron, who are part of the Remnant, and there are people like me, who want to be part of it. I think I see what you're getting at, but I for one don't see Ejectia as a clique or a place for some kind of "Remnant Elite." To be sure, it is in the strictest sense, of course, in the sense that it is a place for those who are/think they are part of the Remnant to gather and swap stories and skills. But if I'm understanding the concept correctly, the idea of an "elite" is almost anathema to the Remnant. Ejectia strikes me as primarily a place to learn, to swap stories and skills, as I said. We can't tell what will become of it until it actually opens its gates, of course, but I don't get the impression that while there will be disagreements, it will be a fairly open and welcoming place. Certainly the comments sections have been fairly civil and friendly since I started skimming them. Of course, there's enough misunderstanding in daily communication with friends and loved ones, and the Internet adds an entirely new dimension in which we must make do with naught but text and the occasional smiley if one is prone to use them, so I have no doubt that there are some who won't understand exactly what Bill Whittle and his assistants are trying to put together here . . .

Of course, there's enough misunderstanding in daily communication with friends and loved ones, and the Internet adds an entirely new dimension in which we must make do with naught but text and the occasional smiley if one is prone to use them, so I have no doubt that there are some who won't understand exactly what Bill Whittle and his assistants are trying to put together here . . .

Posted by: The Eighth Shadow | June 7, 2007 12:58 PM

You can be certain of that. There will also be others who only give lip service to the notions of honor and integrity, and will attempt to erode the structure of what we build here. I'm not worried about them, though. Mostly, the ones who think like that won't want to stick around long enough to do any real damage.

I wouldn't say that, for certain, that anyone here is a part of the Remnant. That's part of its very definition, that until the very moment of crisis one will not know until one steps up and does the right thing.

However, what's important isn't necessarily that one is or is not a part of the Remnant, but that one upholds the Remnant ideals and aspires to emulate them. Until some decisive moment, it is impossible to know if one is or is not truly one of 'them', and thus--by definition--it is impossible for them to formed as an "elite class". Even if a situation occurs where no Remnant is there to be a hero, the conscious choices of those who hold such an ideal may lead them to do what otherwise they would never have done, simply because they now have an ideal and an example to look up to. The Remnant are those who simply ARE, but if there's anything Mr Whittle's essays have shown us, it isn't really what you start as, but what you CHOOSE to be that counts. One might not be Remnant in nature, but act thusly by choice, and make just as much of a difference.

Ejectia isn't about collecting the Remnant together as one group. It's about providing a fertile field for Remnant 'seeds' to grow. I could liken it to a certain well-known parable, but the example should be clear. Ejectia will allow those who uphold such ideals to have the resources and kinship to be more successful in doing so, and it will also help prepare the way for those who ARE among the aforementioned Remnant to be more capable and ready when the time comes.

Hello again. I was here (well, in the original comment thread) as Steve, but I think the new handle fits me better. I have one biological son, two stepchildren, and four adopted children. My wife and I have been foster parents for over 18 years now, and have specialized in medically fragile infants for the past few years. I know a little bit about caring for at-risk children and can work most at-home medical equipment (humidifiers, suction machines, feeding pumps, nebulizers, O2 pumps, etc.)

Management, feel free to contact me at any time if you need me for anything. I'm willing to do what I can when I can to help Ejectia get up and running.

Bill's rendition of the Remnant is a metaphor for a certain personality type. We are not survivalists, occultists, nor nor self-proclaimed elitists. We are not waiting for the fall of civilization like a millenial cult to be called forth by a trumpet blast so that the righteous might triumph over the forces of darkness. No! We are none of these. The remanant is about attitude. Always in a crisis there will be a few who stand forth and take charge. No one asks them to, and they're not elected. But they are the first to understand the situation and take appropriate action. They lead by doing. The story of Ron is gratifying to hear, and worthy of praise. He's a man with the classic insight of a Remnant personality. (1) Preserve life. (2) Move to safety. (3) Rebuild. Americans are very good at this because most of us recognize the value of a cooperative society. Where this recognition is absent, you have the potential for a Rwanda, Yugoslavia, or Darfur. Curiously, the Remnant in America is active now, before a possible crisis. Indeed, we are proactive. It's our understanding of the present dangers that has animated us to action. Yes, we'll be ready should this nation get hit with another 911. In the interim we are attempting to arrest the decay of our society from within. We stand for the redeeming virtues: duty, courage, fidelity, justice and civility. You'll see these words again soon, I guarantee it. We are organizing and mobilizing even now, not only to preserve what we know to be good and noble in our culture, but to move forward into a day of glories unimagined. Ad Astra!

Dougman! Damn, your hide!



Richard - your comment about the citizens of Ejectia are trying to keep things together so we don't have to find out who is a part of the Remnant is very astute. I agree wholeheartedly.

Your notion that the Remnant only comes out when the SHTF is similar to my own. As has been stated before, to my knowledge, Ejectia is not about gathering the Remnant in one place.

I think there are people who want to be part of the Remnant and then there are people who just are part of the Remnant. I don't want to have to be part of the Remnant, but if that day comes, I hope I am part of it. It is that Remnant quality that lies in all of us that I am hoping Ejectia will inspire.

The Remnant idea, in my opinion, has been a little overblown in some ways and this may be where people start becoming confused and thinking Ejectia is only for the elite, the Remnant. On the door to enter Ejectia, I think there should be some sort of statement of freedom and goodwill, something stating all who seek truth are welcome (or something like that). I think the Remnant idea is something we should all bury deep within us, should the need arise, and help others to better themselves as we better ourselves. The idea is out there. By inspiring others to better themselves, we are acting on that impulse. The label is just a label.

Reverend - I can kinda understand what you mean when you say, "A library is a dead thing." But I disagree with you. A library is alive with history, ideas, manuals, the past grand masters! There are worlds to be lived, joys to be shared, places of the mind to be seen, in a library. I agree that we must have discussion and new ideas, open forums and the like. But we also need a bedrock, a foundation with which to build those ideas on. That is my idea of a library - one that helps us not to forget our past, to inspire our imagination, and to ready us for future ideas!

Great minds think alike. :)

After I finished my post, I read the three posts before it :)

The "I don't want to have to be part of the Remnant" comment in my post refers to the Remnant in a crisis because that's when you find out who the Remnant is (or are, I suppose). I don't want it to get that bad that there is a crisis :)

Richard, that was an incredible story.

Rhetorical question: Why don't stories like that make into the national news? In fact, that sounds like book material to me.

Posted by: WayneB | June 7, 2007 12:36 PM

It made the news in Houston. :)

It's people like Ron that prove the good shall prevail.

Kari Wolfe | June 7, 2007 2:37 PM,

You make several good points. Your comment about the library has validity but let me give you a real life example of what I was speaking.

Several years ago I was contacted by a family member of a prostitute to ask if I would get in contact with the prostitute. I was asked because I spoke the same language as the prostitute and knew a little about her culture. As I spoke with the mother of the prostitute, she was out of her mind with worry because she had not seen her daughter in several years and she begged me to rescue her daughter. The only thing I could promise her is that I would speak with her daughter.

I knew nothing about psychology, I am an engineer by training. While I am an ordained minister, I was not when I undertook that assignment and it is but one of a plethora of hats that I wear. As Heinlein said, "specialization is for insects"

Back to the point, I went to talk with the prostitute that evening and I definitely was out of my league. How does one find common ground with someone that is full of anger and fear? How does one do reverse psychology/ deprogramming without training?

Luckily I have a friend who is a therapist who was willing to help me. I told everything I did and was going to do; she helped me refine my ideas. I based everything I did on the simple credo "first do no harm".

Over a 4 night period I worked with the prostitute. The work I did was dangerous. If the girl's pimp had found out what I was attempting both the girl and Ie would have been killed. Me for meddling in the pimp's affairs, her as an example for the rest of the prostitutes who might try to leave. Because I have daughters I was able to talk to her and start a little trust. I carried messages to her from her mother, messages that urged the girl to trust me, messages that urged the girl to leave the hell she was in, to come home to her mom. I remember clearly the night we walked out to freedom and I remember well the threats that came later from her pimp. I got her safely delivered to the half-way house so that she could start on a new path.

Like most people before I started in this, I thought prostitutes chose to be that way. It is not so. She was tricked at 15 years of age into being a prostitute and then was kept in that work by threats against her and her family. She lived that hell for 4 years before she finally walked free. she had wanted to leave for some time, I gave her the courage to be able to do it.

I had a friend who was a therapist and worked with traumatized people. she was able to help me help someone else. I was lucky I had someone to help me. If she would not have been there for me the situation might have turned out differently. Reading books will only get you so far. Real time advice like what I received from my friend is much more valuable. that's where I see the value in the forums.

Doug Loss, I look forward to "meeting" you.

Does AEM or COSAGE mean anything to you?

I spent the first 10 years of my career in operations analysis designing interfaces to simulations used in used to study and analyze system requirements, acquisition and allocation.

BTW: You can be an honorary former member of ELA even though you never came to a meeting on the TCL patio.

Richard, Mark Paules - I agree with your points on how to think of the term Remnant. You may never know till the moment comes whether you fit that description or not, but to the extent we can recognize it, appreciate it, and maybe reward it in others, that's a step in the right direction.

Reverend - I will beg you to reconsider putting Library and "dead thing" in the same sentence (oops, I just did too, eek). I doubt we really disagree, but that choice of words is hard on my ears. On an earlier thread I actually suggested a Forum before a Library, if there weren't time yet for both. Partly because anything worth preserving in an archive is worth taking out and putting to the test in an open forum first. For myself, I find putting my ideas to the test will either improve the final form they will take, or give me a chance to realize they really weren't worth keeping. So Amen to the Forum, but Amen to the Library as well, agreed?

"Look! Dangling participle." - daddyquatro

Ooh! There's another idea for a proposal: All those mean old rules from medieval scholars trying to make English, a Germanic tongue, conform to the rules of Latin, the original Romance language. I want to strongly declare (split infinitive) there are some of those old rules we just shouldn't put up with. (What, you prefer I said there are some old rules up with which we should not put? Ouch.)

Richard ... exactly, we can never know who the "true" remnants are until SHTF, but we can still aspire. What interests me is the fact that theres been more commonality amongst the responders than there has been disimilarities. Maybe, in truth, there is a little remnant spark in some/many of us.

Something sparked a few minutes ago that I thought I'd throw into the mix. We've had some mentions already about America and how we've already reached far beyond the borders. And that was reinforced as I was working a short time ago.
Vital stuff.
And so very doggone hard to do right.
I just did the 4th re-edit of a French version of a document I manage. And the 3rd re-edit of a Dutch version. And rejected a proposal for changes to a German version because I disagreed with the selection of translated words, as I feared the translation was more regional than actual semanics. Heck, I even received a translation from a PAID service inside the company that was completely wrong ... they gave me "half-measures" as a translation for "sizes" (Dutch).
We'll need some of our skilled multi-language editors to make sure we do, and do a good job, of translations. Especially when we get to the explaining technical things at a 5 years old level ... conversational stuff is fairly easy, but this technical stuff is doggone scary. We've seen what NASA has done with something as simple as translating measurements to/from metric (ouch!).

Reverend - I think a lot of people here understand that we need to do positive things or else we are not really accomplishing anything. However, there has to be a non-transient resource to fall back to when persons with specific expertise are not available. That is the purpose of the Library. Think of it as a research tool and a place for people to store a snapshot of their skills for when they are offline.

There will also be discussions, both in Forum format and realtime chat, which will allow people to come together for a more interactive approach. Library is just a part of what will be going on.

WayneB | June 7, 2007 4:03 PM,

thank you for what you just wrote. It makes a h3lluva lotta sense.

Pete, your comment reminds me of a joke. A university student in London decides to do her graduate thesis on the French Constitution. She goes to the college library and asks for a copy in translation. The librarian is curt: "Madame, we do not keep periodicals in our collection." *Snark*

I first got cross-posted here from either Rachel Lucas or Steven Den Beste (can't remember that long ago) and got hooked reading "Bill's Essays" so badly that I bought the first edition of Silent America for my daughter...so I'm not REALLY a lurker...OK, maybe I am, since I haven't commented in over three weeks!

Thank you, Bill et al, for a truly interesting project. This will be better than Wikipedia, since the items will be posted and vetted by those who know.

I am somewhat of a History Buff, although I really don't have a particular period that I enjoy more than others, simply those time periods where I haven't completed my studies.
I also consider myself a "jack of all trades, master of none," so I don't think it would be a good idea for me to submit a proposal just yet.
But I AM very intersted in obtaining citizenship to Ejectia. Did I miss the citizenship requirements somewhwere in the comments?

cas6039, terminology such as 'citizenship' is problematic, since details of how it's going to be run haven't been worked out yet, but I have it direct from Bill that the only requirement to access the information resources of Ejectia, and contribute to those resources yourself, will be your willingness to do so, within the bounds of civility.

What do you know? Can you teach it?


Wow. I mean, really, wow. I don't know what to say.

I think WayneB said exactly what I wanted to reply. :)


At this point all that is required to be a part of our little band are the ABCs.


Show up.
Contribute something. Even if it's only to say, "What s/he said."
Show some manners.
There will be a more formal declaration of The Rules (really just an expansion and clarification of Bill's comment policy) There's an early version over there somewhere.
/flaps arm toward the bottom of the page.
In one of the earlier threads; I don't remember which one.

Well, thankee, kindly!
I was reading through some of the comments earlier, and I was wondering if Ejectia was going to institute some form of "membership" to keep out the anonymous trolls and other useless individuals...registration perhaps?
It would STILL allow everyone in who wanted to come in, at least those who come with good intentions...

Thinking about the "Library is a dead thing" idea. First, I'm glad Reverend was making the point information you didn't put to use was what made a library a dead thing.

In that light, it also occurs to me that a library isn't destroyed when it burns down and all it's books are lost. A library is destroyed when people stop producing things worth going to the library for.

"What s/he said." - daddyquatro

Ooh! that's another medieval latin scholar pet peeve. Trivia: just like 'you' serves as singular or plural 2nd person pronoun, 'they' used to serve singular or plural duty for 3rd person pronouns. Either way, readers can easily determine from context which is which, and it could have saved us the whole modern, ungainly, 'he and/or she' constructions.

Speak to someone with respect and they generally won't mind you just referred to them in the 3rd person singular using the word "they" and just might be glad you didn't interrupt the train of thought by using some awkard gender pronoun conglomeration when it wasn't needed or useful (e.g. this sentence).

I appreciate your new role of the grammar anarchist ;>) And I promise to split my infinitives and dangle my participles All Over The Place.
I'll even mix my metaphors and confuse my tenses. (Power to the people, Baby!)
But in this case I was responding to a specific person. If unsure about gender, I might say, "What Slartibartfast said" but I really couldn't say, "What they said."
And who is this "they" you are agreeing with Quemosabe?

The putting, which is up, I will not.

Alright, I'll delurk as well. I'm currently in NZ working on a Masters of Conservation Biology, will be in Aus until Dec. Hope to go eventually make it home and work on a PhD (enrivonmental enrichment in zoos/aquariums). At this point I'm definitely in student mode and love to learn, not sure how much I can actively contribute. Well, as the nic implies I have a few tattoos so I s'pose I know a bit about that :), oh and lichens.

Yikes! There's a go in that second sentence that doesn't belong there, and I hit preview TWICE! Jeez!

"I'll even mix my metaphors and confuse my tenses." - daddyquatro

Please, there are ladies present. Actually, I'm all in favor of grammar rules that improve the quality of communication, the peeve is strictly limited to trying to smoosh one language into the shape of another's rules. Anyway, I'll restrict any further venting to a better time and place.

TattooedIntellectual - So, you're saying yer really lichen them lichens, eh? (Forgive me Father, for I have punned against thee...)

Vent away, Rickberto.
You've got the pointy hat.
It's your job.
Be sure to pass it along when you're done.

May I call you TI?
Too many double consonants and vowels may expose the keyboardally challenged to ridicule.

I got nuttin'

Rickbert has oxed all the sucksygen from the room.

(I'll see your pun and raise you a spoonerism. hah!)



Reporting as directed, SIR!

Gideon300 | June 6, 2007 1:07 PM

I'd *love* to have a recipe for smoked brisket! And I will copy and print the directions for sourdough. Thanks!


Wow, I would be happy just to hang out in the waiting room with the likes the folks on this commment thread!

There is nothing wrong with Lurking. The word conjures up a negative image, but a site like this with this much information available for free, can be intimidating at first. Also, some may get all they need from perusing other peoples posts and comments. Lurkers Unite!

Civility needs to be a cornerstone of Ejectia! The blog world, like the Usenet newsgroups before it, is in danger of turning into a rancid cesspool of trolls, shouters, and hateful discourse. We need to figure out a way to enforce civility standards, without over policing differences of opinion.

I like the spirit of giving to others here. So much of modern life revolves around I, me, myself, selfishness. It is refreshing and envigorating to know that unselfish behavior and willingly serving the needs of others are behaviors that have been lost in today's world.

I am looking forward to helping this project in anyway I can.

So, you're saying yer really lichen them lichens, eh? (Forgive me Father, for I have punned against thee...)

Posted by: Rickbert | June 7, 2007 6:59 PM

Ooooohhhh, I've never heard that one before :) If it helps to prove my nerd status, I have a shirt about lichens.

Daddyquatro-TI is fine. Some even shorten it to tattooed, have noticed that most seem to ignore the intellectual. Hmm, might need to check into that.

GHS, Richard, Mark Pauls:

One word...Dang!

Paul A:

I have not forgotten about you.


Next round is on me.

Oh Lord! Where did that comment come from? Are people still commenting on the old threads?
Duh! Of course they are and I haven't checked all day long! I'm just a humble greeter and I can only watch one door at a time.
Excuse me now while I jog the perimeter.


"On the door to enter Ejectia, I think there should be some sort of statement of freedom and goodwill, something stating all who seek truth are welcome (or something like that)."

Abandon All Hope, Ye Who Enter Here?

These Premises Are Alarmed?

Danger - Land Mines?

Service Entrance Round Back?


[grin] Cynic? Me?

*tries TatInt on for size*

TatInt, someday soon I look forward to asking your thoughts on symbiosis, and what the history of lichens might tell us about the origin of eukaryotes (*geek cackles*).

Lurkers, the invitation to de-lurk isn't so much a requirement around here as an assurance that it is safe to do so. Anyone goes after you just for being civil and putting in your two cents, a whole menagerie of rabid monkeys, ferrets, Court Jesters (and their 3rd Assistant Lackeys), not to mention the odd Great Hairy Silverback and/or Monster are likely to show up and run interference for ya.

You play nice with us, we not only play nice with you, we become fiercely protective. Rwrrarw.


"If you don't have anything nice to say...
at least don't cuss!"

"Don't make me turn this car around!"

"Do not fold, spindle, staple or mutilate." I think that says it all.


Rickbert -

Sorry if this has already been discussed but can you please explain what this lurker issue is about?

I typically get on the Internet to check out the news. This is the only place I've ever commented on, so I'm kinda clueless.

Thank you.

Rickbert, D4, tooedIntell (thats a new manufacturer of buffallo chips made of attitude, right?)

LOL, 4 of 5 beer bottles down. Aint the beer cold a The Chase Lounge tonight. You guys here all week?

Welcome Tanya!

Lurker - one who lurks but around the site does not participate. Post you first comment and you are well on your way off of abuse of lurking. Visit E!3 often and be cured for life. Who could resist commenting here - even if just to ask what the *&^% is going on?

Unquiet -


Heck yeah, anyplace you can ask what the *&^% is going on is great.

I know you asked RB so I'll answer and see if he's still awake.
Ain't nothing wrong with lurking; I did it myself, for years.
But I don't think it's possible for me to tell you how much more fun this experience is if you chime in.
Look back at my posts. For every post where I have added something substantive to this conversation, there are a dozen I'm just spouting off.
But, but, but...
The best part...
As long as my comment is in good will and good humor:


Every now and then, some somebody will pick up on a piece of my nonsense and make something really cool out of it.
Or really snarky. The end result is the same. We enjoy the company of like minds. Your voice here is just as valuable as mine.
Probably more, because I'm the guy who can't seem to shut up.

Added bonus;
I always run my stuff through Word for spell-checking before I post.
On this post:
Lots of fragment sentences.(I do that) Not one spelling error.

And Uquiet said in 20 words what took me 200.

Hey, wow, I'm getting like more and more impressed by folks' proposed contributions here! I may just take up permanent residence in the library!

Hey, MommaCinco, a lighthearted treatise on how to handle the idiots who keep asking, "Aren't you done YET?" might be a good idea! (My personal favorite from a friend of mine: "No; in fact, I think I'll get my husband and start another one just to torque you off!")

--JMC (AKA 3 of 5 :D)

What the *&^% am i doing here at this time of night/day?
Rickbert, I blame you for this!

Oh! i did find something i'm good at. I don't know if it's something that can be taught.

A good samaritan. That's what i can be.
Not everytime can i be counted on to be tho. Circumstances, nuances and all that which stands in the way of moral certainty Ya'knooow.


Sounds good. This is going to be so much fun.

P.S. I'll try to keep your bonus point in mind.


RE: "Aren't you done YET?"

I think I like best my mother's response to some numbskull who approached her in a California grocery store at the end of the '70s. Mom had just had her sixth (and, as it would turn out, final) child, and this personage approached her and began self-righteously denouncing her for bringing so many lives into a world of limited resources, etc., etc.

My mother faced this nimnal, absolutely calm and placid, and said evenly, "All right, then, which of my children do you think I should get rid of first?" She stood and waited for an answer. Never got one.

I love my mom.

"My mother faced this nimnal ..." - Pirate King

First, this nimnal word, is that a typo of something or a new word you can fill me in on? From context alone I think I'm gonna like it. Please advise.

And ya, moms. Take one day out of the year where you make them breakfast-in-bed and give them a card made out of construction paper and crayon. They will proceed to tear up and tell you that this makes it all worthwhile for them, and make you believe it. I'm still trying to wrap my head around that one.

Oh, and while I'm here, can you confirm for me that it is, indeed, a glorious thing to be a Pirate King?

Pirate King -
"All right, then, which of my children do you think I should get rid of first?"
And what material that must have given six kids! Coming from a sibling pack of seven myself I can just hear it - Yeah! But if she WAS going to get rid of one of us it would be.....

Rickbert -
I STILL have the crayon/construction paper cards and I STILL tear up when reading them. This some thirty years later.

Night all. Thoroughly enjoyable day of reading.

Oh Fweewwww (wiping my brow) I found YOU!!

I'm not the swiftest when it comes to cryptic notes, but thanks for giving me a heads up DaddyQuatro.

I just was zipping through some of these new posts and read the story of "Ron from New Orleans." Now I'm all choked up.

What a place, what a group of people.

Okay, (1) there's nothing elitist (or even pleasant) about standing out from the crowd when the work that is being called for is going to be ugly or dangerous, (2) you're not part of "The Remnant" just because you say you are (that'd be like standing on a podium, and shouting at a crowd, "I'm more humble than any of you!"), and (3) you don't BECOME a part of "The Remnant" just by paying "club dues" here (or any place else, for that matter).

So, just for the record, I do not consider "Ejectia" to be a "Remnant Club."

I consider it Remnant BAIT.


tooedIntell (thats a new manufacturer of buffallo chips made of attitude, right?)
Posted by: Unquiet | June 7, 2007 10:22 PM

Saw that and read toedintell, then all I could think about was three toed sloths. TI works just fine :) TattooedIntellectual gets to be a pain to type all the time. I do not know this attitude thing you speak of. My momma can assure you that I've never had an attitude, no sirree, I'm a perfect angel. Now, I have this nice bridge for sale if you would be interested ;)

I consider it Remnant BAIT -GHS


A Trap!


Run for your Lives!

A running remnant would be...nylons?

You Hosier! :~)

Elydo said: "On the door to enter Ejectia, I think there should be some sort of statement of freedom and goodwill, something stating all who seek truth are welcome (or something like that)."

How bout Welcome, Seeker
/obscure reference to 70s audio theater...

The story of Ron that Richard posted brought tears to my eyes. Those of us who get online are a mere fraction of the greater whatever-we-are. Anyone who looks in here and sees only "white male technophiles" is missing the point. We're doing what we're naturally inclined to do in support of the much larger group of which we are part. And it's a very diverse group. There are people like Ron who are not on the internet, there are people all over the world in countries where the S is constantly HTF, who step up. We can't be them, we can only be us, but I for one consider myself part of, well, I guess humanity. I don't really split humanity up into constituencies based on historical status. Observable behavior and reputation, that's how I tell my groups apart.

A feature request, Senator Mark: If possible, an easy way to attribute a quote or thought to a fellow Ejectian. I'd like to be able to select, copy with attribution, and paste into either a thread or blog or forum post or whatever else is part of Ejectian territory.

Oop, my imagination just ejected something related that I have to describe. I've always wanted a simple notepad-type app that applies forum formatting and spellchecks, and that's all. It could have a template for Ejectian quote attribution. Like a bare-bones HTML editor for forum codes, capiche? If BBEdit did that, I'd be all over it, but I think BBEdit is mac only, so a web app would help other out too.

Mark Paules said: We stand for the redeeming virtues: duty, courage, fidelity, justice and civility.
Indeed, and those are not only American virtues. We believe we pursue them in abundance in America, but I for one, if a country and these virtues irrevocably part ways, must go with the virtues. That's how America was founded in the first place, and what has sustained her. So. Hope we get a lot of international participation.
Must! stop posting and go to work.

I'm not the originator of that, credit goes to Kari Wolfe. I was quoting her(?), and I'll do a better job next time, heh.

I really like daddyquatro's (D4?) "Don't make me turn this car around" Superb.

If a place can't laugh at itself, it's got severe problems I reckon.

Good day to ALL !!!

Seems since I returned to the East Coast from China, I have been sleeping a lot, and not participating as much as I might have before. My apologies, but I am trying to "get back on that horse."

A few thoughts on the Remnant dicussion, and the Ejectia! web site's relationship thereto... (And please remember, this is simply my view, and does not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of... well, whatever.) "Standard disclaimer #101..."

First, I personally don't think of people as "members" of The Remnant in a permanent sense. Failure happens, (in specific circumstances, at specific times.) So does excellence. Second, like many here, I too am a "former" Boy Scout. And I strongly believe in the Boy Scout Motto, which is, if memory serves me, "Be Prepared."

Putting those two thoughts together, I posit that the best we might be able to do is to BE PREPARED to be a functional PART of the REMNANT if and when the need arises. AND that the process of "BEing PREPARED" is largely driven through striving for SELF-IMPROVEMENT in the virtues, values, and knowledge base an individual posseses. AND that the Ejectia! web site, far from being exclusive or elitist, will exist for the express purpose of ENCOURAGING. ENABLING, and RESOURCING the quest for said self-improvement, regardless of where one might be in that journey.

For example, (and admittedly simplistically), there are at least two schools of thought regarding the derivation of governmental, or state, power over individual rights such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

One, that the state is the ultimate source of power, and thus "grants" individual rights according to the needs of and for the good of the state.

Second, that the individual is the source of that power. That individuals grant specific powers to the state, enumerating those specific powers in a contract with the state, and reserving to themselves all other rights and powers not specifically granted to that state. Any of that sound a bit familiar?

Again, this is very simplistic. But how many people remember and know the philosophical derivations of those two "schools of thought," and can state the various arguments, one over the other? How many can explain or justify an opinion on the matter in a civil discourse using rational, critical thinking? If I cannot (at least begin to) do that, then how can I understand that the foundations of Western Civilization are under existential assault, and BE PREPARED to defend those foundations?

Similarly, if I have no well-grounded concept of the virtues, and the assault that they are under from post-modernist philosophies, how can I resist the garble in the cacaphony of noise out there that threatens to bury the very concept of "right" and "wrong" through situational ethics arguments?

Among the many good things I see Ejectia! providing, such as comraderie with like-minded folks, the potential to hone my own understanding of such topics, to strengthen my own belief in and practise of the virtues in my daily activities, to make ME a "better person," leads to a far deeper inner well of strength from which to draw in times of need. It improves the chance that I will BE PREPARED if, and when, the need arises. And it makes my life better, generally.

Besides, I like Daddyquatro's sense of humor.

Rosh, the Declarations Committee is even now drafting a welcome statement. Your sentiments about truth and goodwill are already on the table, but it's nice to know that so many are thinking in a similiar way.

I can't help you on the tech question, though I'm sure there's a way to do it. Doubtless someone will post an answer in good time.

RE: Senator. It's not even an elected position at this point. While I appreciate the courtesy, "Mark" will be sufficient from now on.

Paul A.,

Thanks for a wonderful breakfast. Boy did that taste good and go down well with my coffee. You think well in this time zone - or maybe just when you are actually awake.

I am putting that one aside for future use. Of course, I will have to change a word or two or single piece of punctuation before I follow our fearless proprietor at The Chase Lounge and give it the old "Glad I thought of it!".

Seriously, You have summed up why I think many of us are here very well.

Welcome Awake, - Nice to have you back - Unquiet

Unquiet 6/08 5:38 AM --

And it is good to be here, Sir!!! Thank you for the kind remarks... just saying what's in my heart. No copyrights filed, "borrow" whatever you wish!

The only thing I question, looking back on the post, is the final remark.

Did I really say that, or was that the Dougman speaking???

HHhhhmmnnnnnn ? (Will we ever know?)

You folks' optimism is amazing. Several years ago I was loaded with optimism, but in the past four or five it changed. I'm not sure why -- if it's the many, many many political discussions I've had online, all-too-often ending with very nasty names being thrown my way (I'm a bigot because I want my borders secure?).

Or perhaps it's seeing a government full of politicians that are more interested in keeping the majority of (D) or (R) in power as opposed to doing what is truly best for our country -- and they'll do or say ~anything~ to get there, even at the expense of our country's best interests.

There's much more... large percentages of the population having polar-opposite views, seeing tens of thousands of illegal aliens march in the streets, often with flags from their home country. Seeing the response from those marches where politicians started vying for a voting bloc and the sleeping-giant-that-is-America barely moving at all. Not to mention how rampant conspiracy theories are, and that people are allowed to make a ~bunch~ of money with shows like Loose Change and Fahrenheit-911... I wonder less as to why I've allowed myself to become pessimistic, and wonder more how you kind folks have not!

So, I see all this, and then read SEEING THE UNSEEN, Part 2. It literally cuts through the darkness like a lighthouse beam, and I write and email him as much. I didn't expect to hear that so many had done the same.

I don't know if there's room for one such as myself here. I believe I'm at the "trust, but verify" stage. I'm really happy to read things such as Mark Paules' June 7, 2007 1:50 PM statement which gives me hope that this endeavor will rise above all that and end up with something good.

In conclusion, I have no conclusion. I would love to help build this site if there's still a need for artists. My professional work deals with making 2D textures and 3D models (not in 3DSMax, unfortunately), but I've done some websites too (done with Drupal, but not an active site yet). But, I understand if you don't -- I just wanted to put it out there! :)

Good luck, and keep up the good work.

I'll open Ejectia's first tattoo parlor. It's my profession in the physical world. You're a good man, Whittle. This is an exciting idea...

It is my tendency to post a few times, give responses to any who respond to me, then lurk for an unspecified period of time. This is so that I can follow and digest the meander of the thought trains that develope.

This gathering has really grabbed my interest, because I see in it truly great potential. I don't want to classify myself as a pessimist. I would rather like to classify myself as cautious. I believe in the case of Ejectia, I would have to truly classify myself as being cautiously optimistic. I'm sure that there are others that have the same thought pattern.

I don't know how many times I have seen different types of projects, that have started out with noble intentions, begin to degenerate after a time, into something totally different than what was intended.

So how do we stay on track, when actually, the track is under developement. I know that a fuller definition of "remnant" must absolutely be be developed by all citizens of Ejectia. This will require a pooling of thought, which will eventually lead to a rough definition, which will finally result in a written definition crafted by wordsmiths within the citizenry. Somehow, this will need to be approved and adopted for Ejectia, much in the same way as was the constitution of the United States of America. Without this sort of system, there can be no set way of determining who are trolls and troublemakers, not to mention the abundance of absolute fools that cruise cyberspace. These types will show up from time to time. Some will respond to disciplinary action, while some will undoubtedly have to be banished.

These are just a few of the thousands of thoughts that come to me as I "lurk in the shadows."

I don't know how many times I have seen different types of projects, that have started out with noble intentions, begin to degenerate after a time, into something totally different than what was intended.

Wow! I just looked at the construction of that sentence. I'm now taking cover, expecting bombardment from language scholars. If you bombard me too mercilessly, I will deny your serving of sourdough biscuits and pancakes.

Eric Forhan,
Welcome back.
To both you and Gideon300 let me say, I don't consider myself an optimist but a pragmatist. You play the cards that you've been dealt but you might as well have fun. I do have great hope for our little community but even if we fall out of the sky and have to pull the "Dang" lever it will still have been a great ride.

As far as troll stomping goes; we have GreatHairySilverback. Known and feared as GHS. Debate and dessent are welcome and encouraged when practiced with respect. Bad manners will be squashed.
I don't think it's possible to be a serial lurker. Once you've leaped into the fray with your first comment, you have left your lurker ways behind. Reading and thinking != lurking. I should probably do more of each and less spouting. (I have two ears and one mouth but I have TEN fingers!)

Bob Lindell,
Oooh! Oooh! I want a virtual tattoo!

Paul A.
What's not to like.

Gideon300 expressed my reservations and hopes for Ejectia far better than I. Though he didn't mean to speak for me, for that I thank him.

Daddyquatro: Enjoying the ride is the way to go -- it's even better if you're steering. ;)

Mistakes will be made. That's just a part of life. But it's the overall effect that matters most.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Edison who, when asked why it took him so long to find a working filament for the light bulb, said something like "I don't consider those failures. I consider it that I found 10,000 items that would NOT work."? In other words, nothing ventured, nothing gained, oui?

Eric Forhan 6/08 6:11 AM --

A couple things, offered strictly for what they MAY be worth...

The "Serenity Prayer." (simple, non-sectarian version).

Grant me
the SERENITY to accept what I cannot change,
the COURAGE to change what I can,
AND the WISDOM to know the difference.

Secondly, a "life lesson," learned at considerable expense, again offered simply for what it MAY be worth...

"I can NOT be responsible for the actions (and the consequences of those actions), of another. I can only be responsible for MY actions.

I can only be (and do) the BEST I can, and "be around" (for whomever) to pick up the pieces when the SHTF."

Coupled with the boundless optimism I continue to draw from "Ronaldus Magnus," (Ronald Reagan's speeches and writings), among other things. (Several songs from the "Sound of Music" come to mind...) AND Bill's essays!!!

Gideon300 6/08 6:49 AM --\

Your thoughts and concerns are definitely on the radar screen, and being pondered deeply by many excellent minds as we post.

ALL --

Be of GOOD cheer, for today is FRIDAY!!! (At least where I am...)

Gideon300 wrote "It is my tendency to post a few times, give responses to any who respond to me, then lurk for an unspecified period of time. This is so that I can follow and digest the meander of the thought trains that develop" - to which I say: Yeah, THAT, me too also.

I read the Reverend's remark that to him a library is a dead thing. I respect that this viewpoint likely derives from his experience. As a librarian, though, I'd like to point out that a library is both a repository, or storehouse if you will, and an access tool. If you've experienced a library only as a storehouse, it may well have been dead, if its minders don't continually refresh and purge the contents. However as an access tool, a library is always a live thing. It connects to information, opinion, entertainment, and accumulated wisdom, all of which contributes to knowledge. It is these ends that I hope the Ejectia library will exist to serve.

As for the slogan over the door, I think Bill Whittle already gave it in a previous thread: "a SHIELD, not a bunker." I think that's cool, because most people forget that a shield is for both protection and engagement.

I am honored to be in the company of others who wield, and have wielded, this shield much more powerfully than I.

I've missed saying howdy twice now. Allow me to correct that.


You have my utmost admiration and respect for the way you have built your "little" family.
You are absolutely correct with the Edison quote and I can tell you at least 10,000 ways how NOT to change a diaper.

And a big NC "Howdy" to you, too, daddyquatro! Yes, there are at least 10,000 ways to incorrectly change a diaper (thank the Trinity for disposables), and I think I've probably invented a couple more myself along the way. There is only one way, however, to correctly change a colostomy bag, and thankfully I learned the correct way early on. They can be very messy otherwise.

Now I'm going to pull a Gideon300 and post, watch, read and learn. This place is a LOT more educational than college ever was.

I've always wanted a simple notepad-type app that applies forum formatting and spellchecks, and that's all.
If you copy from here and paste into a Gmail Compose Mail window you can preserve links and the HTML structural formatting, even <b>bold</b> and <i>italic</i>, but it won't bring the stylesheet. Do it under Firefox, and the built-in spellchecker is available.

To lurk is to observe.

To refrain from excessive speech is wise.

To partake of sourdough and smoked foods is bliss.

We used cloth diapers for our two youngest. (File that under "WHAT were you thinking!?!") I'm out of practice now but I used to be able to pin a diaper on a squirming baby and stick only myself in the process.

OK, enough poop talk for today. I'm really not a potty-mouth.


I've always wanted a simple notepad-type app that applies forum formatting and spellchecks, and that's all.

What Monster said about Firefox. It has a built-in spellchecker. Internet Explorer users can use http://www.iespell.com/ to do the same.

As for formatting, Firefox has an add-on which works well: http://bbcodextra.extenzilla.org

You generally highlight the words and right-click and follow the BBCode menus. For this blog, it's under the xhtml menu. If you go to xhmtl->clipboard it gives you even more options for links or quotes you've copied in your clipboard. So, I put the above quote in this thread by copying your message, right-clicking on the input box, xhtml->clipboard->quote and it put the quote right up there, all pre-formatted.

At least, it works well for me. ;)

Thank you, Unquiet. AEM means too many different things to me, I'm afraid. COSAGE I know of, but not from direct experience. Most of my hands-on has been coming from the educational and entertainment end of simulations design, not from the operational analysis end. I did participate in an NSDM (National Security Decision Making) game once at a convention, but came away from it with a bad taste in my mouth. It was clear that the game controllers had a predetermined outcome and wouldn't allow any actions that might compromise that outcome. The very antithesis of simulations, in my opinion. The system itself wasn't bad, but its utilization was wanting.

Oh, I forgot to mention before: I designed and organized a yearly 4-day seminar (The Asimov Seminar) for the last 5-10 years of it's existence. We would pick a topic and then design a participatory scenario around it such that the seminar attendees would play roles requiring them to learn about the topic and make decisions affecting the direction of the seminar. I can go on at great length about this, so I'd better let it stop here. :) If anyone wants to know more, just give me a pretext to bore your ears off. ;)

Good day all.
A great resource on
a farm as blood staunchers and
disposable bandages for equine legs and things. :)

This mornings brew was Black Pearl.

Eric Forhan, I don't know how many of us are optimists per se. We have been through all that you have as well, at least I know I have. I think there's an unspoken assumption here that this is not the place to talk about such discouraging things, because yes it could bring down our morale really easily. Like the Victorians (not all their ideas were bad), we choose not to bring some things "into the parlor" out of consideration for others.

OMG This BBCode Xtra is exactly what I was looking for. I do use Firefox, so actually I have been taking advantage of the spellchecker. The only thing I'm unsure of is how much I should trust this extension since it's unsigned -- you don't know me, Eric Forhan, but believe me I'm not just being a paranoid read-only user. Is there a way for the programmers to gather information about what I'm posting, or the location of a forum, when this extension is installed?

Rosh Gadol, I don't know those answers. Here's the Mozilla extensions entry for it: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/491

Good question nonetheless.

Wow Eric!

That's about the sweetest extension I've seen in a long time. Thanks for posting!!

Me and optimism don't really go well together. More like cheerful pragmatism.

(Also, my half-sleeve no longer makes me a unique rebel. I'd boo-hoo but given a quarter or more of my generation has a tattoo somewhere...)

I'm glad you found it as useful as I have.

For all those who are hankerin' for something to read, I read Bill Kristol's short editorial on Lincoln's Wisdom. He compares a speech Lincoln gave 23 years before the Civil War and compares it to modern times.

It was so intriguing, I read the text of the speech itself and my jaw dropped. Lincoln saw what was happening in a country 62-years young after all the Revolutionaries and many of their children had passed. Patriotism, the rule of law and the government itself were being attacked.

I found it an interesting look at a story in which we know the end of one chapter.

If anyone is interested in a new perspective regarding both radical Islam and immigration/demographics this is a must read: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/06/continent-of-losers.html . The author postulates that demographic trends are more important than ideology when it comes to the root causes of warfare. Really interesting reading!

Hi again, all!

Regarding someone's suggestion about being able to "quote" someone and keeping all the tags about who and when---There's a fan site I visit sometimes, at redplanet.sytes.net; they use such a "quoting" system. You just click a little button that says "quote," and there's your quote in a message box for you to comment on. I don't know how it works, but if anyone wants to find out, you can go there and talk to one of the mods, and I'm sure they'd be happy to help you out.

I have a suggestion for fora that the site I mentioned in my previous post uses. You can click a button to get it to display only those things you haven't yet read, so you don't have to go wading through the whole morass to get where you were at your last visit. Very useful little feature.

How wonderful it is to be able to suggest things like this to people much more knowledgeable in these areas than I am, and be confident that somebody won't snidely accuse me of trying to teach my granmother to suck eggs!

Vive l' Ejectia!

Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!


Rickbert, are there rocks ahead?

(knows a Princess Bride quote when she sees one but will reserve comment since she's not the person mentioned :):) )

Sorry, that was cruel of me. It's sort of like the "shave and a haircut" scene from Roger Rabbit.

/News announcer voice
Across the nation, hundreds (dozens?) of Princess Bride geeks are trembling at their keyboards, struggling to supress the urge to type the answer

daddyquatro - If there are, we'll all be dead! Actually, I seem to be making a habit out of taking something you say and riffing on it: "Don't make me turn this Ejection Seat around!" Ok, a bit too inside for a sign out front, but maybe for the back wall of the Chase Lounge, eh?

Actually, RoxanneD - I second the motion, "A shield, not a bunker" works for me.

Doug Loss - Something tells me we're gonna be seeing more of you when the Arena gets up and running. Wheee!

"So how do we stay on track" - Gideon300

I've kinda been saving this for later, maybe Proposal Day or something, but I can offer this much now: compiling a List of Virtues, I would offer Self-Correction, not just in the sense of self-control or self-discipline, but in the more technical sense of error-correction, or homeostatic mechanism. The most popular example is your home thermostat that keeps your house comfy. Any system that doesn't have the ability to adjust to changing circumstances (even just some guy whose job is to go around with a wrench keeping bolts tight) has to get it right the first time, every time, or else.

I would argue democracy is a virtuous form of government not because it ensures the highest quality leaders, but because it gives people the power, or at least a fighting chance, to remove the worst leaders before things get out of hand. It's not quite as stirring a phrase as "Duty, Honor, Free Popcorn!" but I am confident it is one of those virtues that helps all the other virtues bear fruit. Build this kind of thing into the foundations of your community (like high standards for free and open debate), your community doesn't even have to build tracks. It can steer!

So, any of them biscuits left?

So many posts, so little time.

Two points: A library is a dead thing? How politely can I say "Rubbish!" There is no more grateful entity than a ancient tome having the dust blown off of it by a seeker of knowledge. Every word, every thought expressed on those fragile pages is alive as long as a single copy of that book exists. If ever an inanimate object had a soul it is a book and no collection of such can be called a dead thing...sleeping perhaps but not dead.

As for a motto for Ejectia, how about: "Trade, treat or travel".

(Yeah, it's from Heinlein. So sue me.)

OK Rickbert, now it's my turn to riff off of you. Your thoughts on the self-correcting nature of democracy have tickled an idea that's been rattling around in my brain that I shall now do a crappy job of explaining.
In nature, there's no such thing as a static system. Everything around us is either expanding or contracting, building or crumbling, growing or dying. Nothing stands still. Any attempt to arrest entropy is doomed to fail. You have to keep making or everything will be un-made.
That's the beauty, and inherent chaos, of freedom. You cannot and should not try to stop the chaos; it's not possible. It's just like squeezing a balloon. Clamp down on liberty in one area and it will re-emerge in another. All that can be done is to set acceptable and agreed upon limits to the chaos. (Like the tip of my nose.)
In such a society, some people will test the limits. Since guns exist, bad people will get guns. The solution is not to squeeze the balloon. It will expand in ways you cannot foresee or control. The solution is to allow the maximum freedom within the limits. If bad people have guns, allow good people to have them also.

Ok, I've run out of steam.

Embrace the chaos!

"Embrace the chaos!"
Posted by: daddyquatro

I will later. She's out with a friend tonight.

Here I make a rare serious post and you have to go and make a totally excellent joke. (LOLTKALAMF!)
"the kids are looking at me funny"

That's why I love this place.

D4, that was no joke, son. That was the God's honest truth.

Seriously, you're right about embracing the chaos. It falls in with my idea of "time surfing". Whatever your philosophy is constitutes your board. The surf has no mercy, no rules, no conscience and does not give a rat's rump if you survive or not. If your board is sound and you hold on to it, you have a chance to survive. If not...the surf has no rules, no conscience and does not give a rat's rump if you survive or not.

USBeast, your metaphor just kicked my metaphor's ass.

Balloon...Surfboard? Balloon...Surfboard?
No contest.

Rickbert, USBeast, D4.
I call the first meeting of the Ejectia Amateur Philosophy and Gun Club to order.

D4: now that we've been called to order I move we adjourn.

Ye Olde Beastie has to get up and do it again in the morning and that morning shows up two hours before the left coast sees daylight.

I am honored to be considered a charter member of the E.A.P.and G.C. and look forward to future philosophical discussions.

Chaos has returned. I must embrace her.

Good night.

Hey, I got left out of the Philosophy & Gun Club meeting because I was catching up on other people's posts.

Gideon300, please, whatever you do, DON'T withold the sourdough bread! I swear, I won't badmouth your grammar and spelling, even if you type using a yardstick with your back turned! Sourdough good... mmmmmmm....

Wow, so many other posts, I don't even know where to start.

I see your Balloon and Surfboard and raise you a concept from (I think) Taoism: Floating Ball on Running Water.

The idea is to find the Way Things Work, and you'll accomplish more working in concert with those forces than fighting them (we also would have accepted Carving Nature at the Joints in this context).

The water doesn't care whether you drown in it or not, but once you find a way to float, it's perfectly happy to carry you along with it.

Floating Ball, Surfing. I'm hip. Trying to squeeze the Ballon, trying to command the Tides (instead of sailing on them). I'm hip.

If we want to keep our heads above water, better not to try and convice the waves to part for us. That almost never works.

"Wow, so many other posts, I don't even know where to start." - WayneB

Ya, ain't that the truth. Pick any 10 posts here and you've got the starters for about 20 threads. We are so gonna flood this place on opening day. Heh.

Only under the most extreme of circumstances would I even consider witholding sourdough goods from a fellow human being. I am a very hard man, but certain things are just too cruel to even think of. I am not a brute, sir. ( I did want to flex my muscles a little bit.) Just wait until I begin to leak the secrets of sourdough chocolate cake.

Later, I will pull out the big guns, but for now I will keep you wondering. Muuaahahaaa!

I have been a stay at home mom, and private business owner for over 20 years - yeah, I know extremely overworked and underpaid, but loved every minute of it. Furthermore, I have never, ever, ever responded to something on any online blog, or forum. While all I can say is that I am no longer a "virgin" I've come out of the woods - you've got me hook, line and sinker with your Ejecta concept.

I am an overly educated, yet under utilized inidividual - the grey matter is a little mushy, but totally salvagable. As far as any contributions that I might make to either your library of information, or to the newspaper I have the following qualifications. I have a BA in journalism, and a BS in political science (with an emphasis on Latin American Political Systems - is that an oxymoron)? Furthermore, I have a law degree with a special emphasis in foreign relations. I also have started, yet not completed, my Masters in Primary Education. Thirdly, I have spent many years mediating, and battling my way through the quagmire of America's health care system. I'm the woman that can teach anyone how to make sense of a completely incomprehensible system (ex. Medicare, PPO's, HMO's and every other "O" you can think of). I have the ablity (probably due to my law school days) to parse out the complex information that any person entering a medical situation needs to make an informed decision - from a healthcare, or financial perspective. Given the current status of health care in America I would hope that the type of knowledge that I would bring to this arena could offer meaninful hope, and clarity, to patients and family members, that are overwhelmed at the worse possible time. Furthermore, my medical knowledge is not just administrative, it extends into the realm of translating medical jargon into the accepted language of the society (no more doublespeak allowed) as I have been married to a physician for over 20 years.

I know that I've thrown out a lot of ideas so if you find any, or all, of what I have to offer please let me know. In addition, if you have any questions, or need additional clarificaiton please feel free to ask. In closing, I believe that the concept of Ejectia makes all those that are aware of it feel not quite so alone in a world run amok.

Mamasita 6/09 2:17 AM --

Wow. Just WOW.
A most impressive "resume," Madame. I am quite certain you'll be an invaluable resource to many!

THANK YOU, for "coming out of the woods," and a hearty Welcome! to you!

(Why doesn't the "remember me" button work? I shouldn't have to type in my info every flippin' time!)

Good morning, everyone!

USBeast - Trade, trate, or travel - Farnham's Freehold, wasn't it? (I ~think~ that was Heinlein.)

Ack! The Dougman strikes again! That was supposed to be "treat"!

JMC 6/09 4:41 AM --

"Ack! The Dougman strikes again"

He lurks in the shadows, everywhere... He strikes with no warning... TRULY insidious, that onw!!!

And Good Morning to you, Sir!

Just wait until I begin to leak the secrets of sourdough chocolate cake. Gideon300

Ooohh, that has promise!

I would like to announce that the AllBlacks game against France was frickin' awesome. France got spanked! Final score 61 to 10

USBeast, I thought I was the only one with the surfing metaphor. I have 25 year old journals with pages on the surfing metaphor, back from when I used to skateboard. "Walk Don't Run" gets me all tao-philosophical.

(Remember checkbox doesn't work for me either)

Re: "Remember checkbox"

Doesn't work (period) on any MT blog I've used, IIRC. Thankfully, most browsers have a form memory you can enable. I double-click on the entry field and get a drop-down list of stuff I've entered in that (type of ) field before. I can usually see the entry I want to put there, and just select that. Sometimes scrolling is involved. Beats typing the full email and URL every time. ;-)

Good morning all. :)
Today's brew (and it's going to be a hot humid one) is Apple Vanilla White Tea.

I am one of the original skateboarders.
I remember my friend/mentor bringing them into his skate rink and handing them out for that first try.
I know I just dated myself, but what good memories!

Book of the week is "The Source" by James A. Michener.

I am one of the original skateboarders.
I remember my friend/mentor bringing them into his skate rink and handing them out for that first try.

The kind with the metal wheels that would come to an abrupt halt if you hit a pebble larger than a grain of rice?

The heat index is only supposed to be 106 today. Wait till it gets really hot!

DQ no ly -
106? !!!! Leave it to Texas!
Known for our heat, the Central Valley of CA is stunningly beautiful this morning. We picked our first Lemon Boy's yesterday. 10 days earlier than any previous season. Canines (bless their pea pickin hearts) have been at the bell peppers for several weeks already. And I am grateful, so grateful to those keeping me and mine out of the hands of those who would wish my simple pleasures away. As a sister loves to say - life is goodern.

The kind with the metal wheels that would come to an abrupt halt if you hit a pebble larger than a grain of rice?

The heat index is only supposed to be 106 today. Wait till it gets really hot!

Posted by: daddyquatro | June 9, 2007 7:55 AM

Ours had regular skate wheels,
as he made them from scratch.
He made about 10 boards originally, ended up getting more. We made the walls talk!

Just got back from a really nice East Texas wedding.
One couple flew in from Iraq
And of course the bbq was
eggselent. :)

The kind with the metal wheels that would come to an abrupt halt if you hit a pebble larger than a grain of rice?

The heat index is only supposed to be 106 today. Wait till it gets really hot!

Posted by: daddyquatro | June 9, 2007 7:55 AM

Ours had regular skate wheels,
as he made them from scratch.
He made about 10 boards originally, ended up getting more. We made the walls talk!

Just got back from a really nice East Texas wedding.
One couple flew in from Iraq
And of course the bbq was
eggselent. :)


I think I have you beat on the skatebording thing...My brothers took the wheels off of MY metal skates (the kind where you had to use a 'key' to make them fit) and attached them to a plank of wood. This was in the late 60's. They rode those things 'til they fell apart. We were just recently watching old home movies (all black and white and grainy) and laughing about how it is amazing we all survived without breaking limbs or brain damage. Ah the memories...

Ummmmm are comments now being
blocked? I just had one in
response to daddyquatro

/ waves to Maggie
Think it's unusual to have so many old, er, vintage girl skaters in one place?
... Still going full throttle with a worn-out mind and body.

Ever so often I have a post disappear. Not only here, but several other blogs and groups. I don't know what causes it, but it can certainly be frustrating. Especially if it it a long detailed post, and you type as slowly as I do.

The safety method I use is to press control+a which turns the text blue. Then I press control+c which copies the text. If it posts, then all is fine. If it doesn't, I can just start a new post, place the cursor in the comment section, then press control+v
That will replace the lost post. It's just a safety thing.

You probably already knew all that, but that's just in case you or others don't. I'm such a dinosaur that I sometimes think everyone else is also.

Good to see the comment cauldron seething and bubbling anew. It's been months since I've had the time to contribute, and this project really appeals to me. Thanks Mr. W. and Hallooo GHS.

(Maybe GHS should register the domain name "www.remnantbait.org")

Since my earliest professional work on sequences for Sesame Street as a college student, my career has been Animation- 3D, 2D, character, modeling, rigging, textures, planning organizing storyboarding - Tiny Toons, AniManiacs, Atari Games, etc. As Owner / operator of a small studio I did sales, proposals, budgets, schedules, planning. I've organized training workshops in procedures and software at most of the places I've worked. From time to time I've taught university classes part time & full time in animation and computer graphics.

The fundamental task I've had is to sit with scientists, business owners, educators, elected officials, military officers, medical doctors, and technical specialists in various fields, listen to the information they need to communicate to their audience, then work out a production process, budget, and schedule and deliver that production to agreed specifications. Sometimes deadly earnest sequences like medical effects of ionizing radiation, sometimes elves juggling veggies.

I've also done construction, taken months of emergency response training, and I perform, arrange, and compose music professionally --- violin, fiddle, guitar, keyboard, classical, rock, blues, bluegrass, ragtime, celtic.

Oh, Mama, Animaniacs? I LOVED that show!

Skateboards - Never rode one; my mother wouldn't allow it. (Wouldn't allow us to play football, either. Can you say "overprotective"?) I did roller-skate, though. Anybody remember Super-Skates? I used mine until the metal wheels split in half. Then I bought a new pair, but then they were making them with those plastic wheels, which just didn't roll as freely as the steel ones did on a Brooklyn sidewalk. And trying to skate on asphalt with them was like trying to skate through mud!

Heat index 106? We see that in South Carolina all the time. (Brooklyn to South Carolina - now is that a major transplant or what?)


I think I have you beat on the skatebording thing...My brothers took the wheels off of MY metal skates (the kind where you had to use a 'key' to make them fit) and attached them to a plank of wood. This was in the late 60's. They rode those things 'til they fell apart. We were just recently watching old home movies (all black and white and grainy) and laughing about how it is amazing we all survived without breaking limbs or brain damage. Ah the memories...

Posted by: Karyn | June 9, 2007 12:51 PM

Aha! I got you beat.
We were skateboarding in 1963!
I had a couple pair of those keyed skates too. Our "sidewalks" were really concaved drainage along side the 'cobbled' then blacktopped streets in front of the houses.
We had some fine china berry fights back then.

JMC: "Trade, treat or travel" is from "Time Enough For Love", at least that's where I got it. Heinlein had no qualms about re-using phrases so there may be something similar in "Farnham's Freehold".

God, I wish Robert A. was still alive. We're right smack dab in the middle of his "Crazy Years" and his voice is sorely missed.

rosh gadol :

I think it's a grand thing having so many vintaged gal skaters online. :)
Hell on wheels when it came to bikes too. No helmets for us'sns!

Thanks for that tip.
It always pays to be refreshed with such
great info.
My biggest challenge in typing is dyslexia. That bites me in the butt all the time.

Gideon300, Good advice on posting. If I know I'm going to post anything of length, I compose it on Word and copy and paste it.

I've had miles of my deathless prose disappear into the void because this or that site has some sort of silly time restriction.

Composing on Word also allows you to save it for that book you're going to write someday.

China berry fights? Wouldn't that require china berry trees?
We didn't have them fancy trees in the panhandle. We had clod fights. As in dirt clods; the one thing there was no shortage of.
I can't really compete in the antique skateboard competition. I was born in '63 and our skateboard was "store bought."

rosh gadol, I don't remember where I got the surfboard metaphor, but the concept of "time surfing" has been part of my act for as long as I can remember...which, given my misspent youth, isn't all that long.

Ha! I could your mum.
There's nothing like spending the whole of your 16th summer in England. 1963.
The thing about china berries, they don't disperse the way clods do. They hurt when hurled, or when they've dried out and stepped on barefooted.
I will still trade china berries for your clods. That country is a good place to raise kids and horses.


That's impressive.

Would you be The Mad Fiddler of the old days?

Good to see you again.

I'd never argue with my mum; just wanted to make one thing clear.
The top soil of the Texas panhandle is powdery fine and about three inches thick. After that you get into a layer we called caliche.
It will disperse if enough force is applied; the same way a rock will disperse if enough force is applied.
So when I say clod fights, think "soft rock" fights.

"We made the walls talk!" - Maggie

And here I thought they only had ears. I love that line!

"Sometimes deadly earnest sequences like medical effects of ionizing radiation, sometimes elves juggling veggies." - marchfiddle

Ya, once you've seen one elven oncologist juggling radioactive produce, you've pretty much seen them all. *chortle*

And for all you skateboard nostalgists, I've seen all sorts of bloggers mentioning The Dangerous Book for Boys lately, almost always chipping in their own remembrances.

In all fairness, it doesn't seemed aimed at excluding skate chicks, so much as a corrective for having tried too hard to keep boys from being boys lately.


Oh, sorry, just a reflex.

1963 is my earliest memory. It was November, and I was 3 years old, and my Saturday morning TV cartoons were pre-empted. There was just a weird parade with no music and everyone wearing black. I couldn't understand it. I wanted Underdog!

I didn't piece it together for several years.

I think my first skate board was about a year after that. Metal wheels. It's amazing any of us survived those things.

"I couldn't understand it. I wanted Underdog!" - Richard Riley

A few years after, but exact same set of memories. Eisenhower or LBJ's funeral coverage most likely.

I could google now to find out which but it would almost spoil it. I was too young to know then, and that's what gave the memory the shape it has.

We didn't have a TV until the summer before I entered 1st grade.
Nice timing.
My first "TV" memory was July 20, 1969. I don't remember the actual landing as much as the image of Neil, Buzz, and Michael peeking out the window of some capsule-like quarantine thing (in case they had brought back the Lunar Plague) with Nixon outside, congratulating them over the phone.

Wasn't it the Caliche Lake the main character in Box of Moonlight was looking for?
Fume, fume and more I can't find my copy of the movie....like the books I loan out....then I want/need them!!!!!
That said, the movie had a take your breath away funny scene of the two men having a tomato fight in some fellow's garden.
Swear you could smell the dirt and feel the sun.
Growing up my husband worked the peach orchards and cantaloupe fields and tells stories of him and his buddies making poor wages due to spontaneous peach/cantaloupe fights.
Small town America, not a bad place to grow up.
I had forgotten DQ no ly - the moon landing was almost overshadowed by what horrors might be brought back!

I can't remember the exact date of our first tv. I think I was
around 8 or 9 years old.
We had Mighty Mouse and Howdy
Doody, with the local heroine

My dad used to tell of chinaberry wars between him and various relatives/fellow kids...

Also persimmon. And your basic rock and roman candle.

OK, "Box of Moonlight" I'll have to look for that one. Have you watched "Princess Bride" yet?

Bottle Rocket War!

I remember Howdy Doody, The Mickey Mouse Club, Crusader Rabbit, Huckleberry Hound and the rest of the Hanna and Barbarians. Local TV was Garfield Goose and Cubs games on WGN out of Chicago.

Does anyone else remember "Clutch Cargo" or "Diver Dan"?

Ahhh yesss! Annette Funicelo, my first love. I was hooked on the Mickey Mouse Club
Howdy Doody and Buffalo Bob (not the one in joe Dirt.)
Felix the cat.
First curse word I ever heard on media was Rhett Butler telling Scarlet O'Hara he didn't give a damn. I was about 7 years old and I was shocked.
OK, since I've dated myself, I'll just spill it. I'm a 61 year old Viet Nam era veteran, and proud of it.

I'm a 61 year old Viet Nam era veteran, and proud of it.

And damn well should be!
Thank you for your service, sir.

And, just in case it wasn't said those many years ago, welcome home.


I'm a 61 year old Viet Nam era veteran, and proud of it.

Posted by: Gideon300 | June 9, 2007 6:15 PM

Thank you for your service.
My husband too is a veteran of
Viet Nam.
And since you're older n me, I ain't yer momma. :)

Gideon300, there's no shame in dating yourself...unless you take advantage of yourself...

I am eight years your junior sir. I was raised in a family that bought into the antiwar rhetoric of the the day. My older brother was a CO and is still a moonbat liberal. I was dodged by the draft.

Please accept my belated thanks for your service. God bless you and yours and hopefully we can both serve well in Ejectia.

Reading the comments here, I think I've finally found the answer to the question Who is John Galt? Any place that makes me feel like that is someplace I want to be.

A Java web application developer by trade, I am logical and extremely attentive to details. Unlike most in my trade, however, I can also spell...I was one quarter of the winning team at a Project Literacy spelling bee a few years ago.

I spent almost twenty years in advertising and publishing prior to learning my current trade, so have some understanding of the written word and how to phrase things to make them palatable. More profound than prolific, I write little and try to say much.

A deeply critical thinker, I am passionate about freedom, liberty and personal responsibility. I know much about little, and little about much, and look forward to contributing here in whatever small ways I can.

It is a breath of fresh air to find you all.

Regarding skateboards, I don't know the validity of my father's claim that they hacked together skateboards from rollerskates when he was young, but if so, he's got y'all beat by 25 years or so. Nyah!

marchfiddle - I'm certain my boys will be interested in what you have to say about graphics and animation, yay!

USBeast, I don't think we're quite into the middle of the "Crazy Years" here in the U.S., though Europe seems to be well on its way there.

Cricket - spelling skill seems to be in short supply these days. Congrats on the spelling bee win! I went to the State Regionals in the 5th grade here in KY. Couldn't get past that, though.

Dang, those words they wanted you to spell got weird! I think "schnauzer" was the easiest one in the bunch for the State qualifier. Sheesh.

US Beast: I don't think I ever saw "Clutch Cargo;" the name's not familiar, but I certainly remember "Diver Dan!" I was somewhere between 6 and 10 when that was on.
As long as we're recalling old TV shows, anybody remember Scott McCloud: Space Angel?


I remember Clutch Cargo too! I didn't think anybody else did. Those cartoons came on in the afternoon where I lived. Mornings were given over to Captain Kangaroo, Mr. Green Jeans, Mr. Moose, Bunny Rabbit and Tom Terrific.

I too could wish that Heinlein was still around, along with Doc Smith. Bill's essays resonate with all of us like-minded folks, but it's often the grain of truth buried in fiction or poetry that sways the undecided to one side of the fence or the other. It sure would be cool if Ejectia had RAH or Doc writing the fiction after Bill writes the essays.

It sure would be cool if Ejectia had RAH or Doc writing the fiction after Bill writes the essays.

We probably do.
And the cool thing is...
You'll get to read it here first.

So by virtual community will we actually have a landscape leading down into a valley type little village with buildings-Chases Lounge,Court house, Farms Gun Range, factories, An airport,Ball fields, Yoga Studio,Book Binder,Print shop Bakery, School,Library,People, A fountain with a statue of whats his Name,Trees Sky etc.....?
You go up to a door and knock or pull the string (and it is
like entering someones email address? Or a forum site for a certain topic? We would just walk our little persona up to the door and go into the grocery store and learn how to can fruit? Or Butcher a deer or cow? Or what????

300th comment.

On a little update post.


Leftfoot Leeds,
The Ejectia of today is the foundation of the Ejectia of tomorrow. Where will it go? Who knows?
However, ideas are the bedrock of Ejectia. Ideas are expressed in text.
A while back there was a visitor whose handle was Razz. (I'm paraphrasing here) Razz wrote, "I am an artist... I am blind"
The true content of Ejectia will always be accessible to anyone, regardless of ability, equipment or connection. If it looks cool to the rest of us, that's just an added bonus..

Leftfoot Leeds,
I am imagining the exact same scenario as you just described. I'll be hanging out in the bakery, the smokehouse, the machine shop, the shooting range, the auto shop, the library, etc., etc.

So many places, so little time.

WayneB, If we go by the guideposts in "The Past Through Tomorrow" we are indeed in the middle of the Crazy Years. There may yet be hope for Europe but I can't see it happening without blood in the streets. I hope I'm wrong.

JMC, "He protects and he saves his friends under the waves. That's why we love Diver Dan." Hell yes, I remember Scott McCloud. Prove that you love me and tell me his sidekick's name.

RoxanneD, Clutch Cargo and his pals Spinner and Paddlefoot and their buddy, Swampy...

Holy Moley, I haven't opened these files in decades.

Please accept my belated thanks for your service. God bless you and yours and hopefully we can both serve well in Ejectia.

Posted by: USBeast | June 9, 2007 6:46 PM
You can't answer for anyone but yourself. It doesn't matter what anyone else in your life believes. You've just got to have the courage to stand up for what you know is right.
I am sure we can both serve well in Ejectia.
That brings up another thought about some of the things that may need to be made available in the community. I've got a little grey on the head, but I can still kick ass and take names.
There may be a need for self defense training, strategies, etc.

USBeast - which one? Tarurs, Crystal or Professor Mace?

Oh yeah! Finally got read up to the most recent posts. So much wisdom, insight and common sense. No I haven't been lurking just running to catch up. Now if I could just recall where I have logged and stored it all, it was in my brain someplace but I seem to have some broken links. The discussion about who the remnant are brought to mind a short novel I read, in middle school maybe, entitled "Alas Babylon" (yes I know, but I liked it) wherein the hero/heroine gather their skills and resources and that of their neighbors to survive a nuke disaster. Were they the remnant? Not till after it was said and done.

Ditto Leftfoot Leeds and Gideon300, I see what you see for it is in my mind also, and I volunteer to work in the paintball shop right there next to the theater showing Underdog (there's no need to fear, Ejectia is here[theme song crescendo]) and Super Chicken.

I had previously posted as drs but will be going by the handle BunkrdCaddis henceforth. Yes, picture a fluttering bug getting it in the arse by a paintball.

Well, since we're speaking of cartoons, how many of you remember "Crusader Rabbit and Rags the Tiger"?

I LOVED that cartoon.

Spongebob Squarepants just doesn't cut it.

Sorry for the late reply.

1) "Nimnal" is a word used in my family (and, I've noticed, in a handful of other places) to refer to an entity with a hopelessly atrophied brain--someone who *has* the capacity to think and reason, but who refuses to exercise that capacity. I think the actual word was adapted from a mishearing of the 'Mork and Mindy' word "nimno," but who can say for certain?

2) It is, it *is* a glorious thing to be a Pirate King.

I'm sure my mother asked herself that question a time or two in our teen years, when we were giving her fits--"Hmm, which one of them SHOULD I get rid of?" To quote s'more Gilbert & Sullivan: she had us on her list, and we never would be missed. Heh. And yet we all lived to adulthood.

Let's analyze this skillset--worked on Sesame Street, 2D and 3D animation artist, has run own studio, music composer and performer--are you Bud Luckey, perchance? (If you're not, take it as a compliment--it was certainly meant as one.)

DQ no ly -

"Andrea.....Have you watched "Princess Bride" yet?"

Twice! Third time I'll finally get to lol without worrying I'll miss the next line! Darn movie waited 20 years to find me. How does that happen?

The Pirate King - Thanks for the update. I can now safely say when I saw that I thought maybe I was a nimnal or something for not knowing what it meant. Woo hoo! Used in a sentence, double word score!

Wanders off, humming to himself something about the very model of a modern Major General....

I see somebody else already beat me to the question about Scott's sidekick: Which one? Crystal, Taurus, or Prof. Mace?


Tom Terrific? Don't forget his mighty wonderdog Manfred! :)

Anyone remember Roger Ramjet? I can still sing the theme song...

Good Morning to all!!!

Old TV shows... Anyone remember "Sky King?" Not a cartoon, bur one of my early memories, along with most of the others mentioned...

And it was a GLORIOUS sunrise this morning... One of those that makes it worth rising at 3:00, to "ease into the day," sip my coffee in that especially "quiet" time, and watch the colors of the sky and clouds go through their incredible changes... I know all the reasons for the colors scientifically, but still view it all in absolute awe and amazement. What a universe!!!

Have a GREAT day, all!

Good morning to all.

Good morning!
We're having a warm foggy morning, so no glorious sunrises for us.
I remember Sky King.
I thought the plane was gorgeous.

In the forested high country above ancient pueblos strung out along the river, the old gods repose unmolested by ritual calls from the tribal priesthood. When they arrived the desert fathers banished the heathen spirits and backed their proclamation with steel, gunpowder, and authority from Rome. The blanket of ignorance was lifted and a new world made known to the peoples of the Rio Grande Valley. Who were the interlopers and why did they come? The Spanish soul was forged in a millennial struggle with another desert people, the followers of The Prophet. If the old gods still exist, it would seem that the god of irony still holds some sway in the world of men. The region fell again into its traditional slumber, forgotten by Mexico and abandoned by Spain.

The second wave broke upon the valley when the rough men of another migration came looking for trade, land, and opportunity. The bulwark built by Spain crumbled at the feet of the invaders. A new force had arrived armed this time with railroads, telegraphs, and repeating rifles. Manifest Destiny barely stayed long enough to notice the place before pushing on to the golden coast. A few magistrates and an army base or two would ensure the rule of law. The region lapsed again into somnolence, but the god of irony was still at work.

A world-wide conflagration raged when the high priest of reason finally arrived with his charts and equations. On a hilltop of finger mesas, he built his laboratory and named it for the cottonwoods. It retained its Spanish name: Los Alamos. And there his minions conquered the secrets of the microcosm and gave to mankind unlimited power for good or ill. The old gods were put to flight for good. The assembled scientists gazed at the heavens and claimed the stars for themselves based on observable priniciples: As below, so above. The rest began to fall into place. Just to the south, science and mercantilism joined forces to erect the world's first commercial spaceport. The god of irony would bestow his final blessing. A stealth fleet of fearsome power was posted in the desert to make sure that the unseen feared by men would have tangible form in the hands of men. You have to hand it to the old trickster god, he never gives up. I think he's actually on our side. Ad Astra!

OK, semi-pro lurker here. Have been watching and reading since Part 1 of "You Are Not Alone" was posted. I got caught up in my own idea of being a "remnant" while I was in the service in the 80's and 90's. I saw in my travels here and abroad too many instances of ignorance in the face of adversity leading to tragedy (more often than comedy). I resolved back then to resurrect my oath and desire to "Be Prepared". Reading "Lucifer's Hammer" by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle only solidified these feelings.

Background: disabled Gulf-War 1 vet, Airborne Infantry, Combat Lifesaver, Eagle Scout, BA Finance, collector and painter of toy soldiers, gun-nut and military armorer, amateur farmer, avid storyteller, unemployed.

Skills: shootin, talkin, teaching kids how to play together, painting very small things, practical first aid for amateurs, can cut a board and pound a nail... and I read.

I LOVE to read. You folks have mentioned some of my favorite books in recent threads. However, I feel like I have missed out on a lot of work when you bring up Heinlein since I have only read "Friday" and "Farnam's Freehold". Can anyone suggest a reading list in an order to get the best sense of his work?

It's nice to have found such a diverse and, if I may be so bold, esoteric group. Save some room in the back of the Chase. I know that's probobly where you'll stick all of us tequila drinkers.


The first time I read about the Remnant, I felt my head explode. To me, the Remnant are: my mother, who was a teacher; my father, who was a farmer; my sister, who's been through divorce, death, and is now re-married and raising two kids; my wife, who works in a nursing home, and my best friend, a single mom who raised two small girls into women. The Remnant is everywhere, and there is still much for the the world.

Welcome sir and thank you for your service.
I think the first required Heinlein on your reading list should be "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress". Presented there is the concept of TANSTAAFL. "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch"
I'm going to have to read "Farnam's Freehold" since I seem to be the last person on earth who hasn't.

Sinsinatus - Well, I'm sure you'll be able to tell some stories here, though you may want to wait until Ejectia is opened, so that you'll have a more permanent residence for them.

As for a Heinlein reading list "in an order to get the best sense of his work", that's actually a little difficult in my opinion. He used a lot of common themes, but laid them out in a lot of different storylines.

I was going to try to help you with a list, but I got bogged down trying to identify the different groupings of his works and wasn't sure I would be a help. The one quintessential RAH book, though, is Stranger in a Strange Land. It is really a mind-altering experience, whether you like it as a book or not.

Oh, and Expanded Universe is a good sampling of his shorter stuff, plus some personal essays.

Just the nature of your post made me read the "hope" that wasn't there.
Now Dougman's stealing whole words!

Exploding heads can be dangerous to yourself and loved ones.
I prefer, a bucket of ice water to the face. After you quit sputtering and catch your breath, you're alert, wide-eyed, and ready to take on the world.




Ah, Heinlein. I would begin here.
Almost exactly half way through that page you'll see the name Heinlein. Sit back and read the second half of his address to the Naval Academy, 5 April 1973.

Then get to your nearest book store, and pick up his Future History series, much of which is collected into a single volume entitled The Past Through Tomorrow. (A lot of his work was short stories and novellas that were serialized in SF mags.) Must reads are The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Starship Troopers, and Stranger in a Strange Land.

daddyquatro - I guess you and I will have to see which one is last, because I haven't read it either, despite numerous thoughts of doing so.

Re: Heinlein
I'd add "Have Spacesuit Will Travel" Even though it's written as juvenile fiction, it still develops the theme of his vision of humanity.

"Have Spacesuit Will Travel" was pretty much the first book I ever read in English. Really benefited from my father's habit of keeping enough old paperbacks around to be a fire hazard.

HAHAHAHA I don't know if I've read any Heinlein, little finger to imaginary chin dimple, I don't think Ill have a permanent residence in Ejectia I will be the "Wanderer" Leeds. Living every where there are things to exchange in learning. I'm sitting here in the coolness of a shade garden right now listening to the birds,Johnny Cash and Bob Dylan, and other assorted. Snatching the occasional bug out of the air for a protein snack.I think Ill wander on down to the gunsmiths for a look see.

Let me just suggest that if you should establish a physical location, do not make the mistake of simply trusting neighboring countries to leave you unmolested.


Here was a brand-new, artificial island, created at private expense by the founders of Minvera, and it was claimed by the nearest "king" by force of arms, and his agression was immediately endorsed by other governments in the area.

MInerva's mistake: not being armed.



God bless you and thank you for your service.

If I read YOU ARE NOT ALONE correctly (I read, reread, and again) the remnant isn't a person or a people but rather a spark that exists in some to be called forth when needed. Ejectia is a place to preserve and fan that spark for when it's called upon.

"Skills: shootin, talkin, teaching kids how to play together, painting very small things, practical first aid for amateurs, can cut a board and pound a nail... and I read."

That teaching kids thing might come in handy here--I know I have the heart of a 12 yr old boy--I keep it in a jar on my dresser (rimshot).

Seriously, I'm betting I'm not alone wanting to be better at the most important task in my life--preparing my kids (twin girls 11 and son 7) to not just prevail in the challenges of this very new century and very old war, but to be happy and productive as well.

As to Heinlein--started reading him and Asimov about age 8 and I believe that much of what he wrote sticks in my character today. So I highly recommend that you encourage any yoots in your life to read Podkayne of Mars and many others written for youngsters.

I loved Stranger in a Strange Land the first time I read it but gained more understanding of it after reading I Will Fear No Evil. Without giving too much away I Will Fear No Evil is presented as a real future story of multiple personality and Stranger in a Strange Land a story of a Messianic break. (these would both get an R rating by the sane self and child censoring board.)

I am a commentor at a variety of blogs and a frequent contributor here.

Monster and all Heinlein lovers:

Do not forget "Time Enough For Love" or "Expanded Universe" (which is where I found the Naval Academy address).

I'm glad someone brought up Asimov. I love me some Issac. I have the first edition of IASFM.
I also like Will Smith but never mention that piece of excrement they put on celluloid and dared call "I, Robot"
/gag, spit

Gideon300 | June 8, 2007 10:33 PM

"sourdough chocolate cake"


LabRat | June 9, 2007 5:07 PM

"Also persimmon."

Sacrilege! Persimmons is for puddin'!

USBeast | June 9, 2007 5:40 PM

Does anyone else remember "Clutch Cargo"

Vaguely. Although for the life of me I can't think of why.

Paul A. | June 10, 2007 5:07 AM

Anyone remember "Sky King?"

Yes! Watched it every Saturday morning.

Anybody remember "Cannonball Express"?

Sinsinatus | June 10, 2007 7:20 AM

Everybody cites "Stranger in a Strange Land", which I've read in both the original edition and the later "Unabridged" edition (and I agree with someone's comment that the editor did RAH a favor by cutting out the stuff in the first edition). "Glory Road" struck a chord with me. But I've been reading RAH since I discovered "Rocketship Galileo" and "Have Spacesuit Will Travel" in my youth. I spent most of my allowance on RAH books.


I am sitting in a little piece of heaven here in Southern Colorado; looking out the back window at 14,000 foot peaks with snow still on them as I type this; and looking out the front door at the "M" Farmall sitting on the 'too big for my truck' trailer trying to figure out how I'm going to get it back to Nawth Carolina. Oh well. I've got a couple of days to figure it out. I feel a cigar and some time sitting on the patio lookin out across the valley comin on....

Mark Paules, that was AWESOME. Into my quotefile it goes.



Funny stuff - I'm in CO & have folks in NC.

Good to have you,

- MuscleDaddy

MuscleDaddy | June 10, 2007 4:12 PM

Thank you sir.

Although I'm really from NC. I espire to live in Colorado!


There's a lesser known Heinlein book that's always been a favorite - The Door Into Summer. Wherein he casually invents Computer Aided Design.

Glory Road and Moon of course. Time Enough for Love. Expanded Universe. I will fear no evil. Farmer in the Sky. Methusala's Children. To Sail Beyond The Sunset. The Cat who Walked Through Walls. The man who sold the moon. Beyond This Horizon.

And every other word he ever wrote, of course. :)


Thanks, but you know of what I speak because you live there. Apparently the local flavor of my metaphors doesn't travel well on the Net. *Shrug*

MuscleDaddy & Don,

I'm originally from WV but moved to Colorado about a year ago. My 14000 mountain still has a little bit of snow on it and, even though I've been here a year, it never ceases to amaze me how pretty the Front Range is. I have to be careful when I'm driving though...

To me, Colorado is about as close to Heaven as you can get :) Except for the rain & snow, but so far, it's tolerable ;)


Eh, I think you might be underestimating yourself, Mark. Then again, while I hate actual travel I love travel writing, so I tend to appreciate "local" writing from anywhere.

Have you ever visited Steve Bodio's Querencia blog? He turns out some great NM stuff from time to time, along with being interesting overall.

Paul A.

"Out of the blue of the Western sky comes SKY KING!" Yeah I remember. Was that little honey he hung around with (Penny?) his niece or his daughter?

To all who answered my Space Angel question, Taurus was the one I was thinking of. I had clean "spaced" Crystal and the Prof.


I will be joining you in that cigar. Since quitting cigarettes thirteen years ago (pack a day Luckies, non filter) I allow myself two cigars a year, one for Christmas and one for Father's Day.

Yes I know it's not Father's Day but "she who must be obeyed" got her wires crossed and presented me with a Hoya de Monterey this morning and wished me Happy Father's Day.

Since it would be a crime against humanity to allow a cigar to remain outside a proper humidor without smoking it, I am going to smoke it.

My work schedule makes Sunday my Friday and they ran me ragged today. I'm off to my comfy chair, a glass of Port and my Father's Day cigar.

I may check in before bedtime but, if not; Night all.

I don't suppose anyone will object if I ruminate in public, but there are times when the wonder of modernity strikes me with awe. In 1904, a pair of bicycle mechanics launched a wing powered by an internal combustion engine. Contrary to the convential wisdom of the day, the contraption flew under its own power. War groomed the new invention, as wars tend to do with any new technology, as thousands of newly fledged pilots took to the sky above the muck and slaughter on the ground. While the young bucks dueled in the air, engineers were busy preparing for the next round.

By the mid-1930's, just a generation later, the first prototypes of the U.S. built B-17 were already undergoing test trials. The industry had advanced from powered kites of canvas and wood to a flying fortress, aptly named. Even as America sent thousands of them to bomb the heart of of Nazi Germany, the opposing side countered with the first jet aircraft. Bicycle mechanics to jet engineers in a mere forty years.

We broke the sound barrier a few years later and continued the climb ever higher and ever faster. So we set our sights on the moon. In another twenty-five years we put the imprint of a man's foot in the lunar dust. Do you understand the timeline, dear reader? Sixty-five years from initial invention to conquest of another celestial body.

You must understand that there is nothing beyond our reach once the basic principles of natural law are understood. We are limited only by our imagination. Jules Verne was a quaint crank with his fantastic notions of undersea travel. We know better now. Clark, Asimov and Heinlein are visionaries. What they expressed in fiction, we will manifest in fact. Count on it.

Amidst the chat and banter of this place, know that important work is going on behind the scenes. We're creating a virtual world. Think this silly? It is not. We are an incubator of ideas. This is our place, our hope, and our firm belief for a better future. A magnificent future! And we'll carry out the mission like a bunch of kids on a playground with idealism and imagination.

Ad Astra!

Ummmmm...Southern Colorado looking at the Front Range, must be Pike's Peak that's still got snow on it.
Elmo's Fire over on the north side of the Arkansas River at about 10,000 feet is another
glorious place. Lots of very fat chipmunks.
I wouldn't mind a good cigar and fine wine with that scenery myself!

No more cigars!

Roxanne: You mean,
"Roger Ramjet and his Eagles
Fighting for our freedom..."?
Paul A: I do vaguely remember Sky King. My older sibs loved it; I was too young to appreciate it (only 4).
D4: Have Spacesuit, Will Travel - His remarks about education turned out to be prophetic.
As for Remnant (or Revenant, as some older Bibles call it) - It resides on both sides of the political aisle. My sister was as far left as you can get without actually being a Marxist. When a neighbor's tenement caught fire, and the residents evacuated, she didn't see one of the families come out, though she knew they were home. Despite her absolute phobia of fire, she ran into that building to get them out(the FDNY hadn't arrived yet).
Time to get back to work. Tomorrow, all!

Thanks for pointing out my typo in my earlier post, daddy quatro (where was my brain???). Hope can be an exasperating thing, the way it can lead you on at times, but we need it like a night needs stars.

The first Asimov I read was the Foundation Trilogy. When I read about how those who ruled dozens of star systems were referred to as "barbarian princes", I remembered thinking: where does leave the so called bigshots here on Earth who controlled a single country covering a few thousand square miles?

No cee gars? Okay, then a good
single malt scotch, and sans
the fine wine.

Corrections are in order.

There can be false assumptions (until corrected) but never ever false history.

Probably a simple typo but Wright Brothers first powered flight was 1903. December 12.

65 years 7 months 8 days laterr we walked on the moon.

How cool is that?


Just watched a rather cool movie (for the yoot market) OnDemand (comcast) called ACCEPTED.

Unintentionally--it's totally about remnant.

Corrections are in order.

There can be false assumptions (until corrected) but never ever false history.

Probably a simple typo but Wright Brothers first powered flight was 1903. December 12.

65 years 7 months 8 days laterr we walked on the moon.

How cool is that?


Just watched a rather cool movie (for the yoot market) OnDemand (comcast) called ACCEPTED.

Unintentionally--it's totally about remnant.


Been here about 2 years now - drop me a line if you need a touchstone.

- MuscleDaddy

Hey Maggie,

Good to see you - keep the place all covered for me, hey?

(too dang busy lately)

- MuscleDaddy

'night all.

USBeast 6/10 5:38 PM --

IF memory serves me right, Penny was Sky King's neice...

A good show, and unlike so many today, but LIKE so many then, the struggle between GOOD and EVIL was clearly on display...

Nowadays, because of "situational ethics," and other influences, a large number of people seem to deny even the EXISTENCE of such a thing as "evil..." That bothers me.

Well, Off to work for me... Have a GREAT day, all!!!


Roger Ramjet and the American Eagle Squadron, Yank, Doodle, Dan, and Dee.

"Roger Ramjet and his men,
Heros of our nation:
For his adventures just be sure
To stay tuned to this station!"

No worries, tower. Like I said, I read "hope" even though it wasn't there.

Only 101 today, Maggie. A veritable cool front!

My earliest cartoon memories are The Perils of Penelope Pitstop and Scooby Doo. To quote Lileks "Hanna-Barbera krep"

I've read hundreds of Ejectia posts now, and while I like the idea of a wikipedia created and maintained by responsible adults, I'd also like to see a sort of database. One where members can post their skills and interests (and contact information if they are interested in being contacted out of the forum). This would allow for (a.) seekers of knowledge to contact the knowledgeable and willing, with questions, comments or concerns, and (b.) cross-pollenization of the sort that takes place in a lunchroom, where ideas are tossed out for discussion and analysis.

Eventually, this database could even lead to the creation of discussion groups - either for research or general teaching.

For example: I read a suggestion regarding creating a knowledge base of survival tactics/gear/skills. I could see several groups forming where those with something to contribute - whether it is experience, skills, or academic knowledge could collectively develop a sort of module, for lack of a better word, and then present it to the remnants as a whole. The discussions leading up to this presentation could be private, public, or (most likely) a mix or on- and off-forum.

I guess what it all boils down to is a marketplace of ideas, where peer review combines with market demands to produce and refine knowledge modules for general use, as well as allow those who can - and desire to - teach what they know to willing, even eager, students.

One other thing: a database of topics where knowledge seekers could register. It may be that just a perusal of the topics available for instruction and the topics where teaching is desired could be valuable to Ejectia's development.

It would probably be a fascinating read, to boot.

On the subject of Heinlein, I'd have to concur with "everything", but I'd recommend "Methuselah's Children" as the first, as this introduced us to his (seemingly) favored charcater - Lazarous Long, of TNSTASFL fame.

I too started my Asimov readings with the Foundation Trilogy. Just as with Atlas Shrugged, I had to read it several times, as I missed things in my habitual speed reading. I'm still amazed that the pulp fiction era produced so many deep thinkers who disguised philosophy in worderfully painted (with words) pictures of possible futures.

Penelope Pitstop and Scooby Doo - GAG! My kid brothers loved those shows, though, and since there wasn't anywhere to get away from the sound of them (railroad flats are lousy for privacy!), I was stuck with them. (Did you have to mention Penelope Pitstop? Spun off from it was another show, I can't remember the name of it, but it was about a carrier pigeon, and it took me years to get "Stop That Pigeon" out of my head! ;D)

Steve Thomas,
That's exactly the idea.
Formal and informal.
In-depth and silly.
Permanent knowledge and ephemeral chat.

I would like to raise an issue that I believe will require careful thought and planning. As a project like Ejectia begins to take form, some serious questions arise in my mind.

Nearly every discovery made by mankind has had the potential to be used for good or evil. As the vast pool of human knowledge begins to pool up in a virtual city/state like Ejectia, there is another thing that must come as well. That is responsibility.

For instance, I know how to use aspirin for healing and health. I also know how to use aspirin to create a devastating and dangerous explosive. There are also many other common household items that can be used in creation of weaponry. For me to make this information available openly would be the height of irresponsibility. In other words, this kind of knowledge is essential, but also only to be had by the proper individuals.

So how do we categorize open knowledge, restricted knowledge, and almost secret knowledge?

Seriously, I am not trying to bring up negatives, but even a battery has a negative and a positive terminal.

Good morning all.
It was a much prettier morning
for walking the dogs.
How is it one would walk the dogs
on a farm? To keep some numbskulled neighbour from shooting one of them again.
Tea brew today, White Pearl.
Next week, daddyquatro, we're
expecting cooler weather!

I'd agree with Gideon, Whilst there are almost certainly other places online that is just so irresponsible with such information, and I've frequented some for exactly that purpose, Ejectia shouldn't just be an Anarchists Cookbook with a philosophy forum. But like most things, such improvised chemicals and devices can come in useful as tools in certain situations.

Oi! Such bad grammer above. I do apologise.

And I even spelt grammar incorrectly. I'm going to stop for now...

Oh for an edit function.


There has been some discussion behind-the-scenes about the self-selecting nature of many (most) on-line communities.

I think we'll find that the vast majority of the people drawn to Ejectia will be of the sort interested in 'knowing-for-building', as the philisophical aspects of Ejectia will be inescapable.

There will also be differing levels of access - not for this specific reason, but the concerns you raise could very well be worked into that existing condition.

Clear-thinking caution is how we get to the stars - intact, so keep that approach coming!

Elydo - Of course, slow down and take a breath, but don't sweat the grammar-stuff too much!
Everyone here is FAR more interested in "content & intent" than in 'mechanics'.

Besides, the lack of an 'edit' function keeps us all honest - 'Preview' is your friend!

- MuscleDaddy

I have no degrees and really no work experience outside the military. I have spent a total (so far) of slightly over 7 years in the U.S. Air Force as an enlisted medic (combination of 4 1/2 years active and 2 1/2 reserve). I have quite a few connections to talk to about everything from the "new" USAF basic training to scholarships available for those interested in serving. Anything I write will be more in the way of relaying my experience, but I also know some technical stuff, too. And very soon I'll be learning more about the ROTC system. If you guys want any information about the USAF from somebody who has spent time in it I can contribute.

The way I see it, many people join the service but don't take into consideration what they are giving up and gaining, which leads to a lot of unhappiness on both sides of the contract. I see this as a good way to give people a view from the inside in one central location.

I think it would be a good idea to get input from members from all branches of service. After all, Ejectia needs a well-informed military defense force, right?

And in other areas, I'm double-majoring in both economics and Japanese and have no problem with delving deeper into both to help someone else out.

Really, as other people have said on this thread, I'm a jack-of-all-trades (I can start an IV and drive a bus, just not at the same time).

If you think I can help out in any way, feel free to contact me.

If you're majoring in economics and Japanese at the same time, I believe you could start an IV while driving a bus.

Thank you for you service.


If we have thread full of jack-of-all-trades types, does that constitute thread-jacking?

*running away*

Oh, and Elydo - when you make those mistakes, just remember it's Dougman's fault.

Kari Wolfe | June 10, 2007 4:58 PM

I'm down in the Wet Mountain Valley. Mama has a place here and I'm out enjoying and maintaining it. As to the rain and snow I've got two stories:

Easter Sunday 2004 I woke up to 8 inches of snow on the ground. Fired up the John Deere and dug out.

Thanksgiving 2006: I was driving in from NC. Hit the storm somewhere east of Pueblo. Fought it all the way into the Valley. Hit the 4wd when I turned off the highway onto the dirt road. Made it to the house....and got the truck and trailer stuck in the yard. Unloaded my stuff and went inside and built a fire. Dug out the next morning.

I find I don't mind the snow now......unless I've got to get to the Springs to catch a plane. Then I get a bit ancy...

Ok the last name just hit me. Would you be related to Kate Wolfe by chance?

USBeast | June 10, 2007 5:38 PM

I hope the cigar was enjoyable! And SWMBO sounds like quite a woman. *My* wife never gives me cigars. ::pout::

Maggie | June 10, 2007 7:28 PM

Pikes does still have snow on it. I was looking at the Sangre de Cristos out the office window.

Maggie | June 10, 2007 8:36 PM

We've got a fine Irish pub (Guinness on draught) here in the Valley. Sure and if you're ever down this way lass, I'll buy you a pint!

Maggie | June 10, 2007 8:36 PM

We've got a fine Irish pub (Guinness on draught) here in the Valley. Sure and if you're ever down this way lass, I'll buy you a pint!

Posted by: Don | June 11, 2007 12:14 PM

Don, you're on!
It's been awhile (1991) since I've been to Colorado.
That's too long now.

Steve Thomas -

I like how you put things in your post. If I read it right, the central theme is that not only will various modules be important but the 'lines of sight' between them, as well.

I can picture myself browsing thru, say, the Registry, and noting someone's interest/expertise on something, and emailing them with a question. Which leads to a meeting in a chat room. Which leads to a forum thread where all sorts of people pitch in. Which, somewhat edited and distilled, ends up an entry in the Library.

Months later, someone reads that entry, notes the folks responsible for writing it up, and tracks them down with another question. Lather, rinse, repeat!

Posted by: Rickbert | June 11, 2007 2:40 PM


I like the way you're thinking

Steve, Rickbert, Reverend...

That's been the plan all along - no one ever wanted Ejectia to be another Wikipedia!

That you guys are coming to same conclusion of "What would be best" - that We Who Dwell Behind The Curtain have, just reinforces that we're both on the right track and like-minded folks!

Hooray For Us!!!

- MuscleDaddy

no one ever wanted Ejectia to be another Wikipedia!
For the love of all that is holy, isn't one ENOUGH?

Don, you're on!
It's been awhile (1991) since I've been to Colorado.
That's too long now.

Posted by: Maggie | June 11, 2007 2:03 PM

It'll be my pleasure lass! Sure and we'll just need to coordinate this so that we're both in CO at the same time!

And if we plan this right, you can take in the Tuesday night jam session at The Mining Company. I might even drag out my acoustic and join in...


Hi everyone,
After reading through the posts I just thought I would pop in and say hi. I hope that I will be able to contribute to the community in some meaningful way, although with the experience of those already here I may not be needed. Everything looks to be pregressing quite well and I look forward to seeing where this journey will lead.

Every community needs at least ONE AngryMuppet.

If Kermit got a little more POed occasionally, maybe Ms. Piggy wouldn't walk all over him.


AngryMuppet. Good name.

It Ain't Easy Being Green, but fer cryin' out loud, what happened to that poor frog in his younger days that left him vulnerable to that piggy's, er, charms?

Momma's, don't let your tadpoles grow up to marry divas?

Thanks for the welcome guys.

But don't go dissing Ms. Piggy. What, with Piglet on the side I'm suprised she puts up with it all.
Mmmm, bacon....

Gideon 300,

Gideon make aspirin go boom?!!
How! HOW!! Tell Beastie! TELL BEASTIE!!!

Seriously, you raise a good point. Such knowledge is valuable but doesn't need to posted on the fridge next to the shopping list.

Last post, edited version.

Gideon 300,

Gideon make aspirin go boom?!!
How! HOW!! Tell Beastie! TELL BEASTIE!!!

Seriously, you raise a good point. Such knowledge is valuable but doesn't need to be posted on the fridge next to the shopping list.


I have to agree with you on this point. The Internet is crawling with the dangerous knowledge of which you speak. The problem for anyone that wants to lean about such topics is manifold...

Accuracy - did the poster know what they were talking about or will you be short a few fingers in the morning

Context - many things are as or more destructive than misused aspirin - using two common household cleaners around each other can kill you too. The anarchists aren’t the types I hope to find here. Knowledge is a tool to be kept in a box until the occasion arises for its use.

Security – Some knowledge is placed on the Internet with the express purpose of attracting a certain “flavor” of user so that they can be identified and catalogued. I would hate to see our repository/redoubt become someone else’s tool.

I grimace at the thought of censoring this community while it still reposes in the womb. Knowledge is freedom. With knowledge comes responsibility. Discerning no good answer, I am confident that there are others here that will have considered these issues and will take them into account.

My prediction is that the solution for these concerns will be a “living” one. Perhaps a solution might be found in a “vote” system where with enough members expressing concern over topics sensitivity an article might be moved into a restricted area by moderators. Maybe some of our authors will self-censor by posting what they consider sensitive information in a secure forum. But, who decides who has access to our version of “Alexandria”?

There will surely be other good ideas from other members as well. I look forward to discussing how we address this as a community.


Well said,
I'm not sure what the initial form will be, but everyone will eventually have a "panic button" that alerts the powers that be of a problem.
If you come across a comment that contains ##@@!!!! JOOOOOOOOS! @@##$$!! Messacans! ##@@!!!&& Baptists!
or "Here's how to build a fertilizer bomb"
You will be able to notify the mod or the editor or the bouncer that a troll has entered the building and needs to be escorted to the nearest cliff.
Just ain't gonna be there 7/4. I hope we won't need it that soon.


As to Heinlein...

Thank you all for the tips. I had forgotten that I read "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel" maaaannnyyy years ago. As to Starship Troopers, I had avoided it due to the hideous cinematic version. (And don't get me started on Starship Troopers 2!)

Luckily for me there is a Goodwill used bookstore near me that happened to have a few of the recommended books available "on the cheap". I guess I have my own summer reading list now.

For those of you that enjoy sci-fi, give a couple of these a try...

"The Road to Damascus" by John Ringo and Linda Evans. It is written in Keith Laumer's 'Bolo' universe. Interesting tale of how a free society can sell itself into a slavery of security.

"Freehold" by Michael Z. Williamson. Gives a glimpse of how a futuristic "libertarian" society might actually work - however idealistically that might be.

"Conrad Stargard: The Radiant Warrior” trilogy by Leo Frankowski. Three novels of a modern day engineering student that finds himself back in 1231 Poland facing imminent invasion by the Mongol Hordes. Shows how a little esoteric knowledge can make a BIG difference keeping the "hordes" at bay.

Yes, I know that they are all Baen Books. Jim Baen was a huge supporter of independent minded authors like Jerry Pournelle, David Drake, Eric Flint, David Webber and MANY others. His death last year was a huge loss for the publishing community. If you are interested in reading more about his amazing life and ideas, see http://baen.com/ or his obituary at David Drake’s website http://www.david-drake.com/baen.html.


MuscleDaddy | June 10, 2007 9:52 PM

Hey, thanks! I just moved out here with my husband from WV and, with the exception of a girl I met in my childbirth class and her husband and son, we really don't know anyone.

Don | June 11, 2007 12:14 PM

I think my husband and I have driven through there - well, he probably has more than I (being the motorcycle afficinado he is - I can't ride since we had our daughter).

Snow isn't that bad... problem is, this past winter I basically stayed inside unless I had to go out (I'm pretty much a stay-at-home mom right now), so I'm not sure about it yet. I'm sure the longer I stay out here, the more I'll get used to the snow. Seeing it snow in April and May was pretty strange though - even if its normal for here.

Pikes Peak does still have some snow on it, but not very much. Wouldn't surprise me if it was gone by next week, to be honest. Funny thing, though: we went to the top of the peak on Mother's Day - there were places where the snow looked to be about 15 feet deep on the side of the road. People were skiing down parts of the mountain and having cars cart them back to where they started :)

Driving from NC to CO is a LONG drive - we do it from CO to WV. If you need a cheap motel near Independence, MO, - try the Red Carpet Inn. Looks like your average run-down motel, but the rooms are actually quite nice (and they accept cats :)).


Such knowledge is valuable but doesn't need to be posted on the fridge next to the shopping list.

USBeast | June 11, 2007 7:21 PM

I completely agree. I don't want dangerous information in the hands of people who would use it to do bad things.

But who is to decide who gets to read the material and who doesn't?

Just wondering.


What?... a.. society..sell itself into slavery? It is too bad so many people can't see it happening right before their eyes.
Out enjoying some global warming. So many books so little time. Thanks for adding to my book list.

What?... a.. society..sell itself into slavery? It is too bad so many people can't see it happening right before their eyes.
Out enjoying some global warming. So many books so little time. Thanks for adding to my book list.


All those Baen books and no Lois McMaster-Bujold? :)

Her Vorkosigan saga is excellent- those who geek out over military tactics especially will enjoy them.


"All those Baen books and no Lois McMaster-Bujold? :)"

Neither I nor my spellchecker are up for that one tonight. Excellent work none-the-less.


C.J. Cherryh.
"Downbelow Station"
Best! Sci-Fi! Novel! Ever!

If you haven't read it, GO NOW. If you have read it and can name anything better, bring it on!


"As to Starship Troopers, I had avoided it due to the hideous cinematic version."

Now you've done it. Expect my hubby to show up and start yelling "AMEN! PREACH IT BRUTHA!" at any moment.

If I may put a plug in for an interesting book or two, let me suggest "The Chernobyl Syndrome" by Dean Ing. Yes, it's very Cold War and survivalist in its tone, but it also has some practical responses to those civilization-go-bye-bye moments.

I also find "The Millennial Project: Colonizing the Galaxy in Eight Easy Steps" by Marshall Savage to be a fascinating read, though I happen to think the author is hopelessly naive about politics and human nature.

Two words:

Ender's Game.


- MuscleDaddy

LabRat: VOR ALERT!! Lois will be starting a new Vorkosigan book within the next month or so, as soon as she finishes up the second book of the "Sharing Knife" duology. No title on the new book yet, and certainly no release date. My guesstimate is probably in a year or two.

I love that little hyperactive shrimp!

"Starship Troopers" is a great read. Starship Troopers is a hideous movie. It's what you get when the director hasn't read the book that the movie is based on, and then makes the movie his way. You end up with The Abomination which is rescued from shredding material because of cool bug CGI and boobs. (I'm a guy. I like boobs.)

But please, don't expect good science from a movie that claims Klandathu is so dangerous because of the endless supply of asteroids the bugs can throw at Earth 70,000 light years away. Mighty good aim, that.

I ranted for 30 minutes about the stupidity of the movie to the Pirate King after I watched it. I think I'll stop now.

Hmmm..I may do an entry on self-defense tactics, but I have a question...

Do you just want entries on SKILLS, or do you want KNOWLEDGE as well? For instance, I am a math teacher and am well qualified to write entries on basic math through intermediate algebra, basic science, health, basic electronics, and things of that nature...

Can you help me out a bit with defining the focus you're looking for?


Two words:

Ender's Game.


- MuscleDaddy

Posted by: MuscleDaddy | June 11, 2007 11:19 PM

Enjoyed Ender's Game and the rest of the series. Started them in 6th grade and was perhaps a bit young to understand the undercurrent. Have you read OSC's monthly column? Sometimes it's interesting and thought provoking, other times it just makes me want to growl.

I did remember another skill (I have so many it's easy to forget-not :)) Anyway, did dog obedience training for a long time. Basic ring obedience, never really got into hunting etc, but once you've got the basics the rest is fairly easy to figure out.


I gave read a LOT of Orson Scott Card's work... all the way back to the beginning. While "Ender's Game" and the first few follow up books were revolutionary, his work has a decidedly nanny-ish flavor. I don't know whether it was "Folk of the Fringe" (short stories about post-apocalypse America) or the Alvin books. But, somewhere along the line, he began to get preachy. While it is understandable how a person of strong faith and conviction will have their work influenced by these beliefs, it began to feel as if the work was more a platform than anything else.

Many great sci-fi writers used their writing to vent on society and politics (Asimov, Dick, Herbert, and more). That is what helped define sci-fi as a genre in the early days. I just tend to prefer when the author trusts the reader to draw their own conclusions and lessons from the work, not shove them at you.

He's a great storyteller and I hope to have the opportunity to meet him at a con sometime. It's just that I seem to have lost that "oooo, when's the next one coming" feeling (try and make THAT line fit the song, heh)


Captain Midnight - I've been meaning to ask: Did you take that name from "Moon is a Harsh Mistress", or something else?

Orion - in a way, that's a tough question to answer. Ultimately, we're going to want both, but the goal is to turn the knowledge into skill.

JMC - When I read "VOR ALERT!", I thought you were talking about a really old book named "VOR", by James Blish. Despite the incredibly hokey storyline, it was pretty incredible in that it predicted molecule-thin electronic circuitry.

TI - You mean over at www.ornery.org? Yeah, OSC's pretty good on National Security issues and a few others, but when he starts writing the touchy-feely stuff, it's pretty hard to read. You ever read the comments there? Those guys really beat him up whenever he supports anything the Bush Administration does.


Holy Crap! Someone who's read VOR?!?

Dang, man - shoot that one into the sun...


Okay here's one reaching back for ya - How about "The Dreaming Jewels" (later re-released as "The Synthetic Man") - Theodore Sturgeon

- MuscleDaddy

Yes, Ender's Game is a great book. In fact, I loved the whole series. I really loved the story of Bean in Ender's Shadow.
Downbelow Station is the only sci-fi novel I have ever read that brought tears to my eyes. "...having walked too far." Still gets me.
Cherryh creates a universe I want to live in. Or at least visit.

Procure and read forthwith.
That is all.

Morning, Maggie.

muscledaddy -
No, haven't read "The Dreaming Jewels". Only Sturgeon book I've read is "Venus Plus X". *shudder*

It's weird. I've read a whole lot of a few writers, plus a bizarre collection of stuff from anywhere else. I just downloaded the Gutenberg Project SciFi CD, so I'll be reading a bunch more, too.

Sturgeon, Card, Baen, yah, yah - I'm still teh fangirl for E.E. "Doc" Smith, the original. I really wanted to be a Lensman, and I still wish the world would adopt the idea of precisionist language.

Oh, and I hope this is post no. 400!

Ding! Ding! Ding!
Commenter 400!
You have won a fabulous, fun-filled, all expense paid* trip to Ejectia!

*Airfare not included.

RoxanneD - You and me both about wanting to be a Lensman. But if it came down to being a particular character, I wanted to be Dick Seaton.

About the Precisionist language, you know it's never gonna happen.

Good morning. Have you guys heard about Rome Reborn?

Gad if only they let us move Ejectia into that.

Starship Troopers is an excellant example for never watching a movie based on a book ... at least if you want to enjoy the book. I have found very, very few movies that even (barely) have the same theme as the book.

I was reading Rudyard Kipling
when I was 8.
By the time I was in my early teens
I had read all of the Edgar Rice Burroughs
and Zane Grey books.

Good morning all.

Todays brew is Celestials
Apple Vanilla White tea.

My pastor is in hospital with
pneumonia, so please keep him
in your prayers and thoughts.

That's the reason Ender's Game hasn't been made into a movie. Card won't let it happen. He insists that the characters be played by real children and seeing children go to war just freaks the Hollywood mindset.

Rosh, thanks for that. Interesting. I will explore further.

Regarding Ejectia, I'm in.

Not to be a name-dropper, but I knew Isaac Asimov personally (although not closely), from 1977 till he died in the '90s. I also met other SF authors at the Asimov Seminars: Poul and Karen Anderson, Ben Bova, Stan Schmidt, Jack McDevitt, Harry Stubbs (Hal Clement)...


Captain Midnight - I've been meaning to ask: Did you take that name from "Moon is a Harsh Mistress", or something else?

My alias comes from The Cat Who Walks Through Walls:

"Captain Midnight, undaunted as usual, knew just what to do."

My alias comes from The Cat Who Walks Through Walls:

*smacks forehead* DOH! I knew that!

RoshGadol: I checked out that Rome Reborn link you posted. Is it a members-only site? I tried to get into one or two of the research projects, only to find out that, past the introduction, you have to log in to go any further. The problem is, there's no information about how to register. Can anybody be a member there, or do you have belong to a university faculty? How much does it cost? Do you know?

TI - You mean over at www.ornery.org? Yeah, OSC's pretty good on National Security issues and a few others, but when he starts writing the touchy-feely stuff, it's pretty hard to read. You ever read the comments there? Those guys really beat him up whenever he supports anything the Bush Administration does.

Posted by: WayneB | June 12, 2007 5:29 AM

I tend to stay out of comment sections unless it's a site I trust. Really don't need to get that pissed off about stupid stuff on the 'net :) His latest bit about decreasing our dependence on cars just made me grind my teeth.

Maggie, I love Rudyard Kipling and Zane Gray and Louis L'Amour, not a huge fan of ERB. Have to admit I like a lot of the old classics, Bram Stoker's Dracula, Frankenstein, 10000 Leagues under the Sea, etc.

From Earth to Mars, War of the Worlds.
If you're in the mood for a challenge try The Last of the Mohicans. Once you can wrap your head around the 19th century style, the storytelling is awesome.
Guilty pleasure: Dean Koontz.
Don't laugh. It's like bubblegum. Fun and harmless. And usually the good guy wins.

daddyquatro -

Baptists? Baptists!?! Funny story. Coming from a cultural backgrounds that include Southern Baptists, it just so happens that as a child I once fell asleep during a Southern Baptist church service (well, not during the singing of course, just the sermon).

For those of you unfamiliar with Southern Baptists, let me provide some context. As a child I also once fell asleep once during a stock car race.

I provide this information knowing I may fail to ingratiate myself with stock car racing fans, and may also be going straight to, do not Pass Go, do not Collect $200, Hell.


You are welcome here. We need both knowledge and skill. I cordially invite you to become a member of the Lyceum (In the vernacular, we sometimes call it the Teacher's Lounge). We will be up and running soon.

In the interim I will see to it that the hospitality committee gets flogged at the masthead for missing your post.

~Mark Paules

Hi All, My reading list is filling up. I read many of the books mentioned way back in the dark ages. I think I have most of Card's colleciton in a box somewhere in the basement. He dropped off considerably as time went by to the point where I don't even think I finshed the last one. My favorite is still Asimov. I can pull those out and reread any of them anytime and they are still good. And then there is Ayn Rand. A whole other category.

Sorry to be late to the party. I'd be pleased to help. My wife and I have successfully home-schooled our kids (now in college). I'm a certified firearms instructor, teach for free. I've degrees in math and computer science, with a few patents. For a living, I do high performance software and artificial intelligence. I've built customized versions of the Firefox browser, and I've hand-built websites in raw HTML. My hobby is reading non-fiction. I can teach a few things; maybe even well.

Orion raises an excellent point that deserves expansion.

As I understand things as they stand, we are creating a city/state here, the main point of which seems to be providing information and support to those of us who stubbornly insist on surviving no matter what kind of hash the idiots make of things.

We have discussed whether we are creating a new Wikiwhatever or a library.

It seems to me (and I have no academic credentials whatsoever) that what is being proposed is a university for the study and understanding of the world as it is minus the damnfoolishness that has made the world what it is...and has made Ejectia necessary.

It may be wrong, but it's a thought.

Run with it or over it.

I yield the floor.

Daddyquatro, liked the old War of the Worlds movie, could never really get into the book. To be honest, I couldn't stand most of the required reading in HS and JrHS. Barnes & Nobles last Xmas has some awesome collections, for like $25 there were usually 5 stories bound as one. They ranged from Jane Eyre to Jack London to Oscar Wilde to Jules Verne etc. Got my neighbors kids hooked on Bram Stoker and Jack London--excellent Xmas presents.

Might have to add Last of the Mohicans to my book list. I've got a bunch of stuff on there now that I may never get to, but what's one more :)

a university for the study and understanding of the world as it is minus the damnfoolishness that has made the world what it is...and has made Ejectia necessary.
I don't know that the 'minus' should entirely be left out. If nothing else, those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat its mistakes. Some study of dysfunctional societies needs to be done just to understand how not to go down that path.

Furthermore, we need to know how to defend against foolishness in our everyday lives. I think most of us here can agree that some of the damnedest damnedfoolishness in the world is the way the legal system has been perverted from its purpose, and is now actively used as a tool of predation. I sure hope we'll have some legal sherpas who can write articles telling people how to avoid being the victim of certain legal attacks.

Certainly, any coherent epistemology differentiates between the metaphysically given facts of astrophysics, biochemistry et. al. that make this planet a place where we could live, vs. the man-made facts of laws, customs, &c. that didn't have to be the way they are. And yet, they are... still facts.

And we have to deal with facts.

Embrace chaos for me:)

I've thought quite a bit about what it is we are actually doing here. I don't really know yet. I think we've been making this up as we go along.
I do know one thing.
The people who have come and remain here feel and understand the power and everlasting importance of these words.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident..."

After that, everything else is gravy.

and what Monster said. With all of the 'ologys and stuff.
That too


Let us never forget that even though we create a virtual city/state built on the highest ideals, we must never forget that we are living in reality. Every day will exact it's toll.

My hope is that after a period of time, we can change that very reality, for the better.

On Orion's question about Skills/Knowledge, I heartily endorse WayneB's "turn the knowledge into skill" approach.

The Internet is full of information, some of it even useful. I'd like to think Ejectia will at the very least help folks separate the wheat from the chaff. But the real world is full of real people with imperfect skills and imperfect information facing decisions that have to be made in real time.

Wait until all the information's in and the last piece of information you get may be that you've waited too long to make a decision. Who Hesitates Is Lost. Act as soon as one option seems a good idea at the time, and that's all you'll be able to say in your defense when it all blows up in your face. Haste Makes Waste.

Knowing which cliche actually applies on a day to day basis, that's skill. Having a place where you can practice that skill, and help others do the same: Priceless.

I'm not sure what the end result of all this will turn out to be, but I can tell by reading a sampling of the comments here that one thing is certain..

Many of us are going to enjoy some high grade single-malt scotch. :)

I've got experience designing and programming software and web apps. Secondary skills too broad and diverse to mention here.

When we have a set of forums active I'll gladly participate and share what I can teach. In the building stage there are probably quite a few people more expert that you have on board already, but I'd still help if needed for most any tech support.

Like Krashen Byrne who posted previously, I have experience with varied forms of virtual environment building. I have been part of many virtual communities and have built both text-based and graphical virtual worlds as a hobby for the past 17 odd years.


Channeling Joe Pesci off/

Books we have read that are/were formative or informative are never not worth sharing.

But there are contemporary things--hmm, essays and such that appear on the web--that require *demand* reposting on pertinent threads. (How many of you sent "You Are Not Alone" on to others? I sure did!)

I surely hope that, as we glean the best of contemporary and past thinkers, this forum, this Ejectia, may become that place where reasoned thought, stimulating and focused thought, flourishes.

In that spirit I wish to repost something that moved me like dirt finally settling to the bottom of a formerly muddy pool--leaving pure crystal clear water.


Ten Conservative Principles

by Russell Kirk

First, the conservative believes that there exists an enduring moral order. That order is made for man, and man is made for it: human nature is a constant, and moral truths are permanent.

This word order signifies harmony. There are two aspects or types of order: the inner order of the soul, and the outer order of the commonwealth. Twenty-five centuries ago, Plato taught this doctrine, but even the educated nowadays find it difficult to understand. The problem of order has been a principal concern of conservatives ever since conservative became a term of politics.

Our twentieth-century world has experienced the hideous consequences of the collapse of belief in a moral order. Like the atrocities and disasters of Greece in the fifth century before Christ, the ruin of great nations in our century shows us the pit into which fall societies that mistake clever self-interest, or ingenious social controls, for pleasing alternatives to an oldfangled moral order.

It has been said by liberal intellectuals that the conservative believes all social questions, at heart, to be questions of private morality. Properly understood, this statement is quite true. A society in which men and women are governed by belief in an enduring moral order, by a strong sense of right and wrong, by personal convictions about justice and honor, will be a good society—whatever political machinery it may utilize; while a society in which men and women are morally adrift, ignorant of norms, and intent chiefly upon gratification of appetites, will be a bad society—no matter how many people vote and no matter how liberal its formal constitution may be.


Raed the rest here.

Good morning all.
The water is heating, which brew
will it be today? :)
Our weather? Hot!
I can't wait to browse through
Ejectia's library when it's
finally opened for perusal.

VERY good stuff, turn. And you excerpted it beautifully. Quite a lot of that goes to the heart of why we're here.

I had seen that, too, turn. I was thinking of writing him to ask if we could use it in the Library here.

I do think I would edit a couple of them, but overall a good list. I wonder if he's going to go on to the other subjects he mentions at the bottom of that post?

Nice screen over at ejectia.com...

he said, excitedly.

"Nice screen over at ejectia.com..."


Darn you Dougman!!

What'd you kit "post" for? I wasn't ready yet!

What I meant was:

"Nice screen over at ejectia.com..."

Sweet!! Somebody(s) gets a gold star!


I had links in my comment and it got held for approval. With Bill being so busy no doubt, it will never get approved. I'll try a workaround.

JMC, I think the Rome Reborn project is for university researchers only, so I would not expect public membership.

I have been checking out Second Life since it came up in these comment threads repeatedly, and found out that a number of universities have campuses in Second Life, along with NOAA. I gathered a few videos about the educational possibilities of Second Life at roshgadol-DOT-blogspot-DOTcom.
There is an Ejectian group on Second Life already.

I hope to see it grow and become part of the greater Ejectia dominion.

Great Screen Shot of Ejectia.
Almost speechless(but alas, not quite). It has inspired Ejectia Limerick #2.Sorry!
There once was a fellow named Bill,
whose essays produced quite a thrill.
With the knowledge imparted,
the Remnant was started,
on The Day That the Earth Stood Still!


Thanks for the encouragement.


Sadly, you'll need to contact the estate of Russell Kirk for permissions.


I would hope that the coming great Library of Ejectia will have a live-link section.

Upon review, I submit The Acton Institute as part of that.

When mentioning SF books, let's not forget about A Canticle for Liebowitz by Walter Miller Jr. I was a big Harlan Ellison fan at one point, but stopped reading the genre a long time ago.

Will polish up my contribution on how to talk to tech support. And I love the stories I'm finding in the comments.

Oops, I accidentally posted this in the older thread before I realized that things were moving "to the top of the page". So here goes again:

"Hi. I think Ejectia sounds like a wonderful idea, and I wish you all the success in the world on it.

Personally, I'd love to contribute, but I can't think of anything I could teach of consequence. I'm a mature student studying Psychology in Scotland (I'm American, from North Carolina) and hope to go on from there to a postgrad course in either neuropsychology or forensic psychology, but that's a bit down the road yet. And I'm sure there are people around who know more about it than me.

Otherwise, I know a decent amount about the UK's immigration laws by now, heh. And quite a bit about southern culture and cooking. But not sure how useful any of that is."

"I can't think of anything I could teach of consequence. I'm a mature student ... " - Caol

Funny how some questions have a way of answering themselves. It's been awhile, but something tells me the trend I observed over my own academic career has more likely gotten worse than better. Students are too often not even learning to be students anymore.

I had a tendency to be one of those folks around whom study groups and tutoring sessions seemed to form spontaneously. I was enough of a bookworm that ignorance of a subject was no obstacle, and just (barely) socially capable enough to be able to translate geek-ese into english.

Most of my tutoring efforts were about how to take notes in class, organize information into an outline because there were relationships between ideas and a structure built on a foundation (not to mention the ability to pile metaphor on metaphor to make complex ideas easier to grasp).

After that, mastering the actual material was almost child's play. I never knew quite what to say when hearing, "well, that's not so hard, of course I can do that." Because it very often was rather hard, and they could do it.

Caol, you may not think you know anything of consequence you could teach, but I think you do.

Just wanted to say that after lurking on this site and reading your many essays over the years, this project has me more jazzed than anything in quite a while.

I think Ejectia is a wonderful idea and the fact that so many people responded so well to it is very inspiring.

As for my contribution, after reading the comments, I don't feel particularly skilled. But here goes:
I'm a mechnical engineer that works for a seat belt company. My particular interests are science-fiction anything, antique/older books, container gardening, history and engineering philosophy.

I can speak from experience about getting out of debt, and have occasionally tutored algebra.

I have no idea what that could all add up to but, perhaps that what a place like Ejectia is for, right?

Wow, I had no idea this was going on! Havn't checked in for a while!

As an avid reader of your book and and instant fan, that will change!



What do you grow in your garden containers?
And isn't engineering philosophy helpful for pretty much everything?

container gardening

Posted by: Jessica | June 13, 2007 6:06 PM

What have you had the most success w/? My sister has decided she has a green thumb and has created this garden that my mother will not be able to maintain. We're hoping to transfer some of it to a container type situation that might be more manageable.

For those who like astronomy, I usually start the day with APOD.

Astronomy Picture of the Day

Near the bottom, there are '<' and '>' marks to navigate among previous pictures.

A couple very good recent APOD samples:

Dust Sculptures in the Rosette Nebula

Markarian's Eyes

Near the bottom, there are '<' and '>' marks to navigate among previous pictures.

Or you can click on "Discover the Cosmos!", and see a list of images.

Closer to home, you might try

Google's Moon map

Zoom all the way in to see amazing detail.

Or you can click on "Discover the Cosmos!", and see a list of images.

Exactly. A different flavor of Explore.

I love JRR Tolkien. I read the Hobbit and the trilogy Lord of the Rings first in the early 1970s and then again in the late 90s. The movies are a far cry from the books, although they follow the storyline fairly well, with many, many omissions.

Now for a most important post. This is a cheat that works very well for sourdough chocolate cake. It's a good one for first timers.

Your favorite chocolate cake mix.
1-11/2 cups of the starter I described earlier in this thread. 1 cup for milder or 11/2 cups for stronger sourdough flavor.
Your favorite frosting.

Follow preparation directions on your cake mix with these exceptions:
Add 1 tablespoon of baking powder to the dry mix and stir well.
Instead of the liquid that your cake mix calls for, add the sourdough starter to the cake mix. Add any oil called for. Don't add other liquids called for in the cake mix recipe just yet. Mix just enough so that you can see what adjustment needs to be made. Add the specified liquid until you obtain the proper consistency. It will usually take a lot less of the liquids than the cake mix recipe calls for because of the liquidity of the starter you added.
Mix for the specified time on your cake mix directions.

Pour into a greased single layer pan and bake in pre-heated oven according to the cake mix directions. Allow to cool and frost.

Post guards around your dwelling to protect your treasure.

Re: The Monster | June 12, 2007 8:57 PM

I think you and I are in accord here.

When I said: "...a university for the study and understanding of the world as it is minus the damnfoolishness that has made the world what it is...and has made Ejectia necessary." I left out a word. See if you like this better.

"...a university for the study and understanding of the world as it is minus embracing the damnfoolishness that has made the world what it is...and has made Ejectia necessary."

You are absolutely right. The damnfoolishness must be studied, but always with the understanding that it is damnfoolishness.

Perhaps we could have a Department of Social Toxicology.

"Good morning, class. Today we are going to begin our exploration of the mistakes made and the damage done by a well-meaning idiot named Karl Marx..."

"Department of Social Toxicology"
Because you feel like you ought to be wearing anti-contamination gear before you get close to some of that stuff.


our exploration of the mistakes made and the damage done by a well-meaning idiot named Karl Marx...

Appropriate, as we've already begun the 159th year of dealing with his meme virus.
Marxism 101: "A Spectre is Haunting Mankind."

"mistakes made and the damage done by a well-meaning idiot ..." - USBeast

Whew, for a moment there I thought you'd typed Groucho Marx! Ok, not really, but it would have been fun to get all up in a huff about it.

"I wouldn't want to belong to any economic system that would compel me to be a member and then dictate the terms of my participation in it." Hmm, not as snappy as the original, will have to work on that.

Can't wait for the grand opening!

A lot of people have been wrestling with the term 'library' and while I think Ejectia should have a library, what we're really talking about is known as a knowledge base.

The difference between a library and a knowledge base is peer review of the content, and active collaboration on generating original content. The good news is that plenty of software design models for this already exist, so we won't need to reinvent the wheel. There is a vast selection of open source and free software that provide all the building blocks to get us started. We're privileged to live at a time when so much enabling technology exists at our disposal.

I'm beginning to see Ejectia, not as an elitist enclave (don't even know who brought that up) but as a rallying point for those interested in sharing and preserving the collective PRACTICAL wisdom of the West. It will offer access to an amazing array of resources, a community, that will be priceless if and when the SHTF.

In addition to just a collection point for useful knowledge, it is already taking shape as a nexus for networking extremely resourceful individuals. Most importantly what we share is goodwill for mankind.

I'm eagerly awaiting more nuggets of sourdough lore and anything you have to impart to us about smoked, cured, barbecued or otherwise prepared meats.

We're going to eventually want to brainstorm about a virtual County Fair with blue ribbon contests for this sort of thing!

Everybody, bring on the cooking wizardry..the baking and cheesemaking, and home brewing seminars!

I'm loving all the Sci Fi novel recommendations. Been a Heinlein fan since I was 9.

I'll add my own favorites to the list that touch on Ejectian inspiring themes:

"Swan Song" by Robert McCammon
"The Stand" by Stephen King
"Ringworld" and "Ringworld Engineers" by Larry Niven
"Replay" by Ken Grimwood
The "Left Behind" series by Tim F. LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins

and a few that are not thematically linked but just great reads:

"Armor" by John Steakley
Martian tales (Princess of Mars, Gods of Mars, et al) by Edgar Rice Burroughs
Casca "The Eternal Mercenary" series by Barry Sadler
"Pillars of the Earth" by Ken Follett

Good morning, folks.

Coffee anyone?

Coffee good.

My first cup of the morning is always black.

I am currently reading a book written at the invitation of President Eisenhower to celebrate the bicentennial of Columbia's founding by "explaining the ideal of full freedom of scholarly inquiry and expression, the right of mankind to knowledge and to the free expression thereof." Known as the Duquesne Studies, with contributions from around the world. Oh how things have changed since 1954. For you Philosophy cone suers...Bon appetit Maggie what is the tea today. I'm thirsty

So, if we have a "Department of Social Toxicology", can we have a Political HazMat team?

Ezekiel2517 - It is my understanding that we are using the term Library partially because it is more familiar to the general public than Knowledge Base, and partially as a tip of the hat to the Library of Alexandria. Knowledge Base is probably a more accurate term, but some people would not recognize its intent.

Gideon300 | June 13, 2007 8:59 PM


I've got to try this as soon as I get home.


coffee, definitely ... other than "chinese green tea", I've never been able to tolerate that steeped stuff.
Today's coffee is Costa Rican. We have a nifty new single serving machine in our kitchette at work and I now have choices of "French Roast", "Italan Roast", "Sumatra", "Espresso Roast", "Columbia" abd several "house blend" versions. Life is good!

One author I haven't seen mentioned is a personal favorite simply because I have a quirky sense of humor: Piers Anthony. Some pretty punny stuff.

Unfortunately, the newer authors have a real problem gaining my atention. With so many favored (by me) authors, I usually scan by author now and zero in on those I know and like. These recommendations will come in handy if I EVER manage to catch up on my reading. In my never-ending quest of things to do myself, I interrupted the last of my shingling of the house roof in order to finish rebuilding the deck of the larger utility trailer (quicky crappy welding job that will have to be redone when I have time) so I could go hump 150 bales of hay onto said trailer. The shingles will now have to wait for me to hump said bales into the barn.
I think I'm ready t otry and find some lazing time in that building behind Dougmans statue, investigating Irish whiskies.

Good morning all.
We've had some fantabulous rain in our locale.
I watched it fall
with much pleasure.
Today's brew is Twinings Breakfast tea.
Appropriate for a mild and damp summer morning.
I am growing into the mood though of shopping for some grand Darjeeling,
as I am out of it.
The scenery over at ejectia.com is awesome.
Reminds me of MiddleEarth.

pete in midland:
If you're humping hay (round bales?) you must have missed on
yesterdays rain.
What kind of hay are you using?

WayneB - I'm fine with calling it a library if that's the consensus. Didn't think I was confusing anybody by offering an explanation of a knowledge base.

I like the idea of an homage to the Great Library.

Ezekiel2517 - I don't think you're confusing anyone currently hanging out on this site, especially if you give an explanation of your terms. However, after the Ejectia! site is opened, we are going to be trying to make a strong appeal to as broad a base as we can to promote voluntary self-improvement as widely as possible, using the resources we will be building.

I was referring to that later time when I said there would be people who would not know what a "Knowledge Base" was.

Besides, part of the visual experience is going to be having buildings representing the different areas of interest, and it just seems more natural to call it a Library.

WayneB - Roger that.

Something occurred to me last night, that we all may be witnessing and participating in the birth of an institution not unlike the Freemasons..perhaps without all the pseudo-religious aspects. Has anybody else thought about this?


Oooo! Oooo!
Do we get a secret handshake?
Just don't make we wear a fez.


The fez being already taken, I think we should all wear crash helmets for ceremonial headgear. Your thoughts?

pete in Midland,
Xanth, Incarnations of the Immortals, The Adept Series.
Seriously tasty bubble gum.


Gene Wolfe. Read his "Soldier" series (3 novels so far) about a soldier from the Peloponnesian War who had suffered a grievous head wound and now forgets his entire history each night while he sleeps.

John McPhee. Simply the best essayist writing in the English language today. Get anything he's ever written, read it.


Batchelor's quick pasta salad. Boil a pot full of spaghetti to your preferred consistency. Put a packet of frozen mixed vegetables (unwrapped, of course) in a colander. Pour the spaghetti from the pot into the colander to drain. The spaghetti and hot water will thaw the veggies. Empty the colander into a bowl, add italian dressing, toss and eat.

Doug Loss,
You can also make it all high falutin' by using the tri-colored spiral pasta.

If you're humping hay (round bales?) you must have missed on yesterdays rain. What kind of hay are you using?

Posted by: Maggie | June 14, 2007 8:52 AM

Heh ... Midland, Michigan, Maggie ... no rain yesterday ... humping standard "square" bales onto the pickup and 16 ft trailer in 90 degree temps. My idea of a great way to spend an evening. Not.
The hay is basically grasses with no or very low alfalfa. Miniature horses have notoriously sensitive stomachs.

Xanth, Incarnations of the Immortals, The Adept Series.
Seriously tasty bubble gum.

Posted by: daddyquatro | June 14, 2007 11:16 AM

I also enjoyed the Mode and Space Tyrant series. The latter had more substance to the bubblegum. Even escape has its good points.
One of his that was not escapism was a fictionalized account of the treatment accorded Germans at the end of WWII that was very interesting. Written from the perspective of a German soldier, and American soldier and a Quaker girl that dated them both ... It was self-published on the 'net as none of his normal publishers would touch it.


Whoa, too complicated. You some kinda gormay or somethin'? :))

To qwer & TattoedIntellectual,

Sorry for the delayed response (I'm a bit new to this commenting game).

"What do you grow in your garden containers?
And isn't engineering philosophy helpful for pretty much everything?" Posted By qwer

Certain vegatables are really suited to containers: Green Onions, Tomatoes, Basil and Spinach.

Other plants that work: Impatiens (sp?) & Aloe. There have been some real disappointments too (Jasmine).

The most important things are keeping the soil fresh and arranging the plants so everything gets the right amount of light.

As for engineering philosophy, I actually took an elective in this in college. My professor repeatedly made the point about the universality of engineering. The verb "to engineer" actually comes from an Old French verb meaning "to plan" which is something everybody does at some point.

After reading every comment in this thread, I must say that I'm absolutely giddy with anticipation re-Ejectia. Having read and admired BW for years, I'm thrilled with the possibilities presented in this forum. I have a multitude of real world and theoretical experience (no time to detail, since I've maxed out doing the reading--kids await).

Looking forward to the launch--faster, please.

"So, if we have a 'Department of Social Toxicology', can we have a Political HazMat team?" - WayneB

'Cause sometimes a little club soda just won't do the trick. Oooh! Get it off, it burns! It burns!

"Google's Moon map

Zoom all the way in to see amazing detail.

Posted by: qwer | June 13, 2007 8:47 PM "

...so it really is made of cheese! LOL!

I first read Childhood's End by Arthur C Clarke when I was about 7 or 8. It changed my life, in that I was hooked on SciFi from that moment on....

We've been talking about SciFi authors and it is well that we should for there is more social and political sense in most science fiction than there is in most social or political science.

However, the authors that we love had authors that they loved and it is, I believe, vitally important that we understand what our favorite authors regarded as understood.

With that in mind (if no one minds) I present the following poem by a favorite author of many of our favorite authors.

"The Gods of the Copybook Headings" by Rudyard Kipling

"AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return."

I don't know about you, but I find a good deal of comfort in that poem. I think Robert A. would applaud its posting here.

I think Robert A. would applaud its posting here.
I think you might be right, USB.

Hey folks. Really looking forward to this.

As my chosen career path happens to be the same as Bill's favorite hobby, I'm not sure I have much to offer. I'm talking about aviation of course. Infact, he's got more experience then I do. Hopefully that's going to be changing in the near future, as I plan on joining the Army to fly heloicopters.

In the mean time, I do consider myself an expert on surviving in college on little to no money. Perhaps not as practical or useful as the experiences of many other people, but I have to think someone out there could use it.

Been lurkin' for awhile; ordered the hardcover 2nd edition and am eagerly awaiting it. I have a mechanical engineering degree (and work as an engineer), a passion for engines (cars and bikes), and just enlisted to serve my country. Any help I can render, I will; I mostly plan on readin' and learnin', though.

Letinsh | June 14, 2007 8:32 PM

Thank you for your service to our country! May you stay safe while you're doing it.

Now....what kind of engines? I'm an ME and a serious car nut. Have had and campaigned at verious times: a D Prepaired Pinto autocrosser and hill climber w/a 2 liter German Ford and a C Street Prepaired CRX hill climber w/ 40 DCOE Webers and an Si gearbox.


I don't suppose Ejectia would be interested in step by step guidelines for computer novices for self-formatting and publishing your own book using entirely free software?

It isn't the sort of thing that's good for directly hands on saving the world, but I've done it, I know how to do it, and I think I can probably teach it. Is this the kind of thing Ejectia is looking for?

Well Kate, I'M interested in that particular information. And regardless of whether or not a subject has earth-shaking ramifications, as long as it's not subversive, unethical, criminal, or any combination thereof, it has a place in Ejectia's growing potluck spread.

For ME, that particular offering would be great to learn about. At your leisure, I'd appreciate whatever you could share about that. I can be reached at steve85@earthlink.net... just include the word "Ejectia" somewhere in the subject line, if you would, please.

And thanks for the offer.


Hit the dirt, the li'l woman's gonna hold forth!

I love the splash-screen image on Ejectia.com right now. I think it's eminently appropriate that Bill et al chose the image of a mountaintop to represent this upcoming enterprise. It reminds me of a number of things (probably blindingly self-evident... have patience with me, folks).

For many years I lived right up against the Wasatch Front, in an area where even the valleys are at least 4500 feet above sea level. Climbing up the side of the local mountain taught me a couple of things (not the least of which was that I was WAY out of shape).

The rarefied air on a high mountain doesn't contain as much oxygen as air at sea level. Consequently, your body has to work harder to accomplish the kinds of things it might be easy to do at a lower altitude. When you're huffing and puffing up that mountain, you come to appreciate every breath of air you get. But in the process, your lung capacity and your ability to perform at higher altitudes increases. When you get down to lower altitudes again, you're stronger than you were before. This is why some Olympic athletes train at high altitudes -- to gain a competitive edge by pushing themselves just a little harder.

Climbing mountains isn't easy. It's work. Certainly it's rewarding work, with a marvelous payoff, but it does involve a time investment and a certain level of personal inconvenience and pain. Consequently there are sizable numbers of people who say they *want* to climb mountains, but relatively few who actually make the attempt, and even fewer who accomplish the task.

The view from the top of the local mountain was spectacular. You could look down into the valley, ringed around by mountains and sloping down into a wide, shallow lake, and see all sorts of interesting things. From the top of the mountain it was possible to see the shape and direction of a thunderstorm, the ripple of traffic patterns, the origin of a local wildfire -- things it would be difficult or impossible to view with such clarity at a lower elevation. Reaching that elevation gave those who were willing to stick it out a particular gift -- a unique vantage point; truly "the big picture." Sometimes it was difficult, once you had descended to the valley, to explain that vantage point with any clarity to those who had never been to the top of the mountain. They tended to focus on very local problems -- my neighbor left his sprinkler on all day long, he must be stopped! -- and often did not understand or take much interest in the larger issues as they could be seen from the mountain top.

Literally looking down at the valley does not mean metaphorically looking down on those who live there, or feeling superior to them. Yes, reaching the top of the mountain is an achievement, but it doesn't make you intrinsically better than the others. It has simply given you a particular life experience they don't yet possess. If anything, the experience places a greater responsibility on you to share what you saw and learned with those who did not or could not go with you. At the very least, perhaps you can inspire others to make the effort as well, to reach the same vantage point, to learn what you have learned by doing.

Often going down the mountain is harder than coming up. There's something incredibly tranquil and awe-inspiring about being at the top; it tends to open the senses and inspire, at the very least, an appreciation for the beauty of the natural world and for one's life. Going down requires a strong sense of balance; it also works different leg muscles, difficult after a long workout of climbing followed by the peace and relaxation of staying at the top. But it's also necessary to go down again because, unless you're a hermit, you don't live at the top of a mountain. Home and family and food and bed are all down in the valley, so eventually you must descend and return to everyday life.

All right, I'm done.

If I may presume to speak for the "moderators", I suspect that is exactly the sort of thing Ejectia would be interested in, Kate.

Beautifully done, Pirate King.

Kate F and welcome all newbies,
I would most assuredly be interested in the publishing aspect. TPK nicely said.

Akula, thanks for your upcoming service to our country.

Letinsh - thanks for yours as well.

Kate - I'd be interested in the self-publishing information, even though I'm not likely to publish anything, since I can't hold anything together long enough to put together something comprehensive enough to be worth it.

Pirate King - I've always liked the phrase, "Let's look at it from the 10,000 foot level" anyway, so I'm with you there.

Good Morning all.
Today's brew was easy to choose.
White tea w/mango and peach.

It's time to drag out the recipe for chilled glasses of chai.
Cold milk with chai stirred in
over ice. Yummm!

Welcome to all the newbies, and for some more great ideas.

Thank you to those who are and are about to serve our great country.

Pirate King, to you thanks for that illuminating essay of how we gain perspective and how to use it.

Ahhh! The ides of June. Solstice is near, and the weather is getting hot.

What's for breakfast. Hmmm. I think I want some sourdough pancakes. Yeah that's it. Mmm, that wonderful aroma. That wonderful flavor that can never be synthesized by imitation methods. Maybe I'll have sausage and eggs with them. Or maybe I'll have some of that ham I smoked yesterday. (Ham is difficult to smoke. It doesn't pack well in your pipe, and it's hard to keep lit.) (Goofy old hippy joke.) (Sorry.)

These are very versatile. You can make your pancakes from your favorite scratch recipe, or you can use any pancake mix. The magic is in your sourdough starter. You can use any of your favorite add-ins, such as nuts , blueberries, etc.
I like a fairly strong sourdough flavor, so I use the 1 cup starter to 1 cup flour (or mix) ratio. A little experimentation will determine your particular taste preference. Just add the starter first, and use less water to bring your batter to the proper thickness. Cook as always at about 375 degree griddle or skillet. (Temp. is right when a small drop of water sizzles, dances, and disappears almost immediately.)
Serve and enjoy with your favorite syrup or topping.

Here's a little trick with sourdough pancakes. You're going to do a chemical reaction trick here, so you've got to have everything ready, and you have to move fairly quickly. Be sure to have a large enough griddle or pan to cook all your pancakes at one time. Be sure it's good and hot, (375 degrees.) For about 4 cups of batter, prepare about 2/3 cup of water and dissolve 3/4 teaspoon baking soda in the water. Now here's where you have to move fairly quickly. Pour the water mixture into your batter and stir quickly. The reaction is somewhat like vinegar on baking soda. The soda water reacts with the sourdough in the batter. The whole thing will begin to swell in your mixing bowl. Quickly pour your pancakes on the grill while the batter is swelling. They will continue to swell on the grill until the heat kills the reaction. These pancakes will be quite thicker than normal, and light as a feather.

Just a little info about your sourdough starter:
Always regenerate your starter as soon as possible after you use it. When making a new starter, according to the directions I gave earlier in this thread, it will take about three days fermentation to finish. After that, when you use some of your starter, you will need to feed it after each use. Just feed it 1 for 1. If your recipe called for 1 cup of starter, then add about 1 cup of flour and enough water to bring back the consistency. It will regenerate overnight. I make it a practice to add 1 tablespoon of sugar after 8 or 10 uses.

Another note. Your starter will sometimes form a liquid on the top. It can be almost clear, or a very light amber, or slightly a clear grayish. This is perfectly normal. You can pour the liquid off or stir it in. Always stir your starter well before use. It will do fine unrefrigerated for about a week without use. Any longer, you will need to refrigerate it. If you are using the starter every two or three days you won't need to refrigerate it as long as it is not to hot in the environment where it is kept.

Hey, thanks for that clarification, Gideon. Since you hadn't mentioned anything about what to do after you used some, I went looking around, and the sites I went to said to refrigerate, though I was pretty sure I had heard before that you shouldn't need to.

I worked my way through college rebuilding Harley motors. My first car was a '49 plymouth that I put a (self-rebuilt) 318 V8 and A833 4 speed tranny (custom bellhousing) in. Right now I've got a '91 ninja that I do my own work on. Also had a '66 'stang that I converted to 5 lug, new ford 8" rearend, racing suspension, disk brake conversion etc. Next on the list was a 302, but ran out of time/money when I went to school.

Pirate King,

That was great.

Having now lived among mountains on both sides, I'd have to say that you nailed it.

- MuscleDaddy

I don't suppose Ejectia would be interested in step by step guidelines for computer novices for self-formatting and publishing your own book using entirely free software?
Sounds like a wonderful idea, Kate.

Hey, everybody! New update now available!

Click the "Main" link at the top of the page.

Letinsh | June 15, 2007 9:30 AM

Neat! I've always wanted a vintage 'stang. Just haven't found it yet. As to the 302, 289 Hi-per engines are still out there. They are just getting rare. And according to a friend who had one the original Mustang V8, the 260, will out rev either the 289 or the 302. Or did you mean a Boss 302?

Is it time to move to the top of the page yet?

Please count me in, and honored for the invite. One caveat - I'm reporting for US Army (Reserves) Basic Training on 4-July and won't be returning until 2-Feb-08...

But I'll likely be submitting proposals for articles on Practical Self-Defense (20 years instructing, students have never lost a fight, 2 opponents dead, 1 sterile, 2 in prison), Firefighting (3 years), Emergency Medical Aid (1 year EMT-B, 2 years of calls before that), Canoeing (20 years), Wilderness Camping (20 years), 3D Chess tactics (3 different variants - one of the best players out there), Basic Math Skills (Math teacher), Land Navigation (competed in Orienteering), Basic Electronics & Repair (B.S. Electrical Engineering), and one or two others...I just hope y'all can wait until I get back for me to write 'em!


Here is a jack of all trades, master of none. I'm currently operating a small class five island in the Caribbean, meaning we are self sufficient for power, water, comms, etc.

It will be very interesting to watch this develop, and I'll jump in where I can.

This can be the start of something important, and I already like what(who)I see. It will be an honor to participate.

This is a must see. It's internal video from a company that holds seminars on how to lawfully exclude qualified U.S. workers in favor of cheaper labor from the immigrant 'pool'.
With congressional approval at 14%, there're yet another group of traitorous bastards willing and eager to be lower than whale dung and they work in H.R. departments throughout the country.
The proponents of the Immigration Act of 2007 would have us believe that newly-minted 'legal' immigrants will be performing jobs that Americans choose not to do.


BLAINE: Your original offer was accepted shortly after 15 June. However, the address you supplied is not complete. Please contact us again at the library [at] ejectia [dot] com address. Thank you!

Blaine: Please resend your offer from a different account if you can. We cannot get through to the other account. Thank you!

Dougman, you're insidious. The double post is particularly crushing.

I am REALLY excited that Bill is finally taking his own work SERIOUSLY ! I have sent every one of his articles around forever and have converted a great deal of self-described liberls over to our side by having them read his common sense declarations on what we folks view as the TRUTH!
THIS is all very exciting...I hope this takes root and spreads !!